Speaker 1: 0:06

Welcome to Realm Jumpers. I'm Andrew and this is my co-host, jordan hey everyone.

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We're here to dive into the worlds of fantasy and anime, bringing you epic stories and unforgettable adventures.

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We'll be talking world building unforgettable villains and everything that makes these genres legendary.

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So let's jump into the realm.

Speaker 1: 0:29

Hey man, welcome back. We've got another week going.

Speaker 2: 0:32

Hey brother, this is almost like a weekly thing. It's kind of crazy.

Speaker 1: 0:36

Yeah, we're three episodes in and I just want to say to everybody that's actually stuck with us for all three episodes. Thank you for putting up with our audio and sometimes video issue issues.

Speaker 2: 0:49

We really appreciate it yeah, I mean we're learning and growing like my background. I'm gonna make it cool eventually, but you know money right, it takes time no, exactly, instead of.

Speaker 1: 0:59

You know, if we waited, uh what does it say? Um, like, I read an article and it was like, if you wait to start your podcast because you need gear or stuff, uh, you're never gonna start it.

Speaker 2: 1:09

So just do it and buy the gear as you go you know, it's almost like they say about um, you know, don't wait to start your book, your novel, right? You, you, you, you you okay, yeah, subtle, real, real subtle yeah, I tried that's all right, I'll write something eventually you will, by the end of this podcast series.

Speaker 1: 1:31

One day you will be in chapter one I'm gonna dedicate the book to you and it's gonna say to jordan here's your book, asshole you wouldn't stop bringing it up every single week and weaving it into every conversation in some weird way. Yeah, that's okay that's all right if that's what you're saying I'm here for it. I am all here for you nah, I appreciate it, man, and uh, you know the the pressure is good.

Speaker 2: 1:56

I I do well most of most of the time under pressure yeah most viking, most viking men, blue, so you'll be all right love it all right.

Speaker 1: 2:06

Do we want to jump into realm rumors?

Speaker 2: 2:08

yeah, yeah. So I've been looking at what you sent here and before we even started off, and I should know this, but I just I've heard it different ways. Is it isekai, isekai, isekai? How do you say the damn word? What's the general consensus?

Speaker 2: 2:24

here, I think in the us, the general consensus is okay, well, we're good with that I'm sure we're probably butchering that and then probably true, but you know, either way, we are obviously exploding in popularity here based on this article. Kind of talking about what is it 15 of 2024, the anime? Where were these types of uh, fun little stories here?

Speaker 1: 2:48

right. So the the title of the article. You know the state of isekai 2025, um, which is interesting enough because everybody knows isekai is popular, but the thing I found, or one of the things I found, the most interesting here was that obviously you know the 15%, that it's the total, like 15% of the entirety of new anime that are produced, as popular it is in English-speaking countries. In Japan, their top 10 list that they just released recently, isekai isn't on any of the shows on the top 10 list.

Speaker 2: 3:46

So that is a very interesting little stat because it kind of shows in a way, we're know japan's making anime for only japanese people. Now they're kind of acknowledging, I guess how weird. Why did it become? Because it that's a very stark different stat from top. I mean, looking at the yeah, english speaking actions 15.1 and this is 15. I mean it's literally the same. It's even beating fantasy at the 13.4, which is just insane. And then, like you said, on the other chart, it's not even in, like what.

Speaker 1: 4:10

That's crazy so another thing that I was. It's mildly interesting, but more entertaining. Um, they actually rank their anime when they produce them, and they rank them the same way like adventurers or monsters get ranked, so there's like a and s class and that's cool. I like that. It's actually mentioned in this article that you know, isekai rarely makes it to s class, but they're the. It's the biggest, it's the biggest contender and it's the biggest percentage of shows made, because they are almost all solid a-classes interesting.

Speaker 2: 4:48

Well, I mean, hey, just like uh, man, it dovetails perfectly with our, with our episode today, doesn't it? With this class? And I am, yeah, man, this is, uh, this is super interesting, although they are the only problem, like, some of them are amazing and then some of them are just phone doing, feeling, you know, so it's. It's interesting to see the ones that really kind of hit a home, run out the gate and just explode in popularity.

Speaker 1: 5:14

I mean, there's, you know, a dime, a dozen of them that don't really go way, but one season, it doesn't really matter, you know right, yeah, exactly, I mean, you know they make um again it 15% of the market share for anime every year, or recently, or at least this year. So that's at least 10 shows and that's just dirty math I'm doing on my head that's at least 10 shows that are guaranteed to be isekai, to be isekai, and again, that's not. Again, you know, they're saying they're, they're fully admitting we don't expect any of these to be you know s tier shows, but they should all be solid a tier shows and we need to.

Speaker 2: 5:55

We need to rank everything over here like that, like s tier a class, like we need to start doing that. Dude, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 6:01

Right. So another thing I found pretty entertaining in here and this is also entertaining, slash interesting they built a profile it's just a demographic profile of, like the, you know, the what am I trying to say? The average, the average isekai viewer Okay, viewer, okay. And one of the things that really stuck out is isekai viewers are where is that stat? Oh my gosh, 48 more hours of anime watched each week and more likely to read light novels. And I'm like wow, that tracks because I will watch an isekai. That's like a, you know, that's kind of like I I don't necessarily, I probably do watch them all, at least a few episodes of every single one, and sometimes I just put it on for background noise while I'm working how about the average age, bro, 29.2 yay, I mean that, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 7:04

And then the uh, the I think the weirdest stat in this, where I was too. Really there's one really cool stat average year as an anime fan 15 and a half years pretty cool. Um, but watch most likely to watch anime on xbox super random that one actually weirded me a lot out of yeah, because I'm like people still watch stuff on Xbox. And then the funniest one I find is less likely to be a pirate anime. Yeah, I think that is brain dead, rude, I don't get it, it's tough.

Speaker 1: 7:46

You're also 36% more likely to be Canadian, apparently.

Speaker 2: 7:49

Well, okay, we missed the mark on that one, I guess.

Speaker 1: 7:54

I guess I don't know.

Speaker 2: 7:56

Yeah, so it's a little off, but the light novel thing kind of tracked just because I will watch Nisekai and I do read a lot of light novels fact, yeah, you were, uh, and it's kind of funny because that you know you've read so many of them and I usually am the big manwa reader, slash anime watcher. I know you watch anime too, so it's kind of perfect for today with sir leveling. I mean, I know you read all I did not read the night. Let me be very clear. I did not read the light novels, I read the manwa and I watched the anime. I think you've done all three or two, yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:28

I don't remember. No, I've. I've not all three, I've. Obviously I've watched the anime. I've read all eight of the main novels, volumes one through eight. Volume eight ends with kind of I don't know if it's the end of Jean. Well, I guess we should say spoiler alert we're spending all day of the year right, right, I guess they introduce uh jimu's son at the end of volume eight okay.

Speaker 2: 8:58

So let me just ask, because I'm not familiar is there light novels of I guess it's titled rag, you know so loving ragnarok about the sun? Are there light novels of him or no? I think they're planning to be produced, but interesting okay, because the mod was out like it comes out every week. It's it's great, yeah, it's, it's very, very fun, for sure it's it's great. So I will say you know, obviously we love anime and I think we both can agree that the studio, the anim, animated this a1.

Speaker 1: 9:33

Just pictures killed us like it's so good, yeah, a1, a1 pictures nailed this, um, I mean from beginning to end, like there's not the. The animation is wild. It's some of the most beautiful animation I've seen. Um, you know, the gradual shift in colors, like the color palettes they use.

Speaker 1: 9:55

And you know, we're just we're just talking about some of the simpler stuff here because not everybody even notices that. So if you, if you look at, like the color palettes they use early on in the pre temple, you know, in the first episode, the pre temple, it is very warm color palette. And then again after Jinwoo wakes up in the hospital, it's a very warm color palette. And then again after jinwu wakes up in the hospital, it's a very warm color palette. But as he starts to level up that color palette there that you know, the overall color palette for the show starts to go a little bit more cooler, um, and a lot more like to match the icier tone that they use for his eyes when he's, you know, utilizing those powers and you know, the darker, the dark, because it just gets darker and darker.

Speaker 2: 10:35

Content wise, brutality wise, and it seems to to match that. Uh, pretty perfect. I mean, obviously the monro's going to be drawn better because it's not moving. But I have never seen um, you know, sort of reveling. You know it's a great story and stuff, but it really blew up as far as the, the mama scenes, like it's.

Speaker 2: 10:55

I mean, there's others too, but I would say this one's probably, if not said the best drawn one, absolutely the best fluid and action one to the point where, like it, really it's an important monro for not just being a great story in the animation, in the, in the, where the drawings are amazing, it's really like the thing that blew up monra, as far as as I know, worldwide, because you know they're releasing weekly chapters that are 50 to 100 panels long, that it's gripping and it's literally like reading an anime.

Speaker 2: 11:32

I mean it's so fluid, the action in it, the way they they flip it over and there's horizontal panels and vertical and then all these different styles to show movement. It's very, um, it's, it's definitely inspiring and I think it being so successful in an anime is gonna just kick the door open to many monwa being being animated. I know there's a few out there. Got a high school, they rushed it, which is not good. Uh, tower god, it's on the second season. But they changed the studio art studio. So you know it's losing fans now, but so leveling it looks like they're just going to keep the same studio and just tell the whole story, which is fine, you know.

Speaker 1: 12:13

Kill it, let it out, make it huge and let's get more of these things animated I mean I agree, but I am gonna have to go check out the the manhwa for that, because I again, I read the light novels. That was where you know I gravitate towards and it's nothing against you know, web comics or man, was I just that my preferred, my preferred consumption method? There would would be the light novel, but but no, I agree, let's, let's. Let's make them all, let's make them all into anime.

Speaker 2: 12:43

I want to see I mean do them because in, you know, manga is very impressive, obviously, weekly chapters, 20 to 25 pages, you know, but seeing which I don't even understand how, the full color, full color every week, it's crazy, I don't know how they're doing it. To be honest, and in in this, I mean this, this series specifically, the art is stunning, the action stunning, the, the magic powers that they and the way they animate them and draw them, awesome. You know, it's just, it really, um, it's a home run and I think it's very important that it gets the attention and desertion. I think. I think it is obviously with the anime, I mean it's very, I'm sure it's the number one anime by now. It's got to be like, it's like coming out right now, you know this, this season, or whatever.

Speaker 1: 13:28

Yeah, I mean it's got to be, but you know this this season or whatever.

Speaker 2: 13:30

Yeah, I mean, I agree it's gotta be, but you know the reverse acting, you know they'll change the voice actor and it goes from high pitch to like this deep I'm going to fucking kill everyone. You know, vibe, it's, it's, it's great man. I mean they nailed that, that whole thing.

Speaker 1: 13:45

So the voice actor for me it's not the same voice actor, but the voice acting. You know it goes from kind of bright and bubbly a guy that's uh, you know, optimistic about the future like a shonen character.

Speaker 2: 13:57

Right, yeah, right too.

Speaker 1: 13:58

It's absolutely um. I mean by the by the second season, like episode two or three. He straight sounds like goblin slayer.

Speaker 2: 14:07

I'm sorry, it's the same sound it sounds just like the guy, like I don't even I don't think it is, but it's very close, but I think it. It leads into like goblin. It sounds just like the guy, like I don't even I don't think it is, but it's very close, but I think it leads into like Goblin. Slayer is just like living his life, doing his mission, quote unquote and it doesn't matter. The side stuff doesn't matter, and that's kind of how it looks like for him. You know he got hit right now in the story. He's trying to save the mom.

Speaker 1: 14:40

He's got to do all this stuff and he's leveling up and getting stronger and that's all he cares about. So he's just very like, you know, serious bad chance now. I mean, overall, I've been pretty happy with the way they handled most of the the story arcs um, the temple arc, you know the which, you know the very beginning of the story. I feel like they did very well in expressing you know the words that were put into the pages as far as the despair and the terror that Jinwoo was feeling in the temple, and they did a good job animating those scenes and the voice acting was amazing.

Speaker 2: 15:05

The voice acting dude you could hear. I don't know if it was the English or the Japanese voice actor, but I read a story that what either one of them in that scene where he's just screaming and losing it and stuff, that the guy like lost his voice from that scene. So I'm not surprised, because you could feel the amount of terror, the like you know yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:25

So I will say, though uh and this is not shade on the anime, because most of the time they have a reason for making some of these changes but this is this is there's a couple that irk me a little bit and there's some minor character stuff that just irks me. So the president of the uh, the hunters association, the president, gun he go beast mode.

Speaker 1: 15:49

I love that guy right, he's an s rank like that, that's guaranteed. But in the light novel he came into his power later in life. He was already an older man and he never actually fought in the gates, he never actually hunted. So how does that match up with the with the manhwa? Uh, is that the same in the manhwa?

Speaker 2: 16:11

oh man, I don't really remember. Man, I don't remember that exact scene, but I don't really. I'm trying to think, yeah, because the way, the anime at least, definitely made it seem like he missed hunting and wishes he could do it. You know, I don't, I don't remember the model, I don't remember, that's it. So I've read it too long ago, but I remember being like okay, you know, it didn't make sense that he hunted some. He had to have gone in the gates, right? I mean, how many years have the gates been around now?

Speaker 1: 16:38

10 years.

Speaker 2: 16:39

So how old is he?

Speaker 1: 16:41

He's 80.

Speaker 2: 16:43

So he would have been 70 when it popped off. Yeah, but I feel like it wouldn't make sense that he would never have gone in the gates. Is that just something in the in the light? No, it doesn't make sense. He wouldn't go in.

Speaker 1: 16:58

That's just something they've added in the anime, and he said a few times he's like you know, I wish I were still young enough to fight. I miss fighting and I'm like you never fought in the light novel. And there's a reason why I'm so nitpicky about this in particular, and I nitpicky about this in particular. Um, and I'll try to keep this part spoiler free, because it hasn't even really been been introduced into the the to the anime yet. There is a reason it bugs me because a character change like that for that specific character can affect some things that happen with that character later, and that's what. That's what irritates me a little bit. Um, I'm a little bit nervous to see where they're going with that, because if they want to stay original delight novel, I feel like that starts to change something and I don't know how it'll affect a specific storyline, and so that makes me a little bit nervous and you know it's funny.

Speaker 2: 17:52

I'm trying to think it's been so. I mean, you know you're it's funny, I'm trying to think. I mean, you're reading it every week. I don't even know how many chapters. There's a lot of them. And I'm trying to think because it seems to be adapting the model pretty good. I'm assuming they're adapting that more than the light novel. I don't know if there's many differences, though I'm sure there'd be some right.

Speaker 1: 18:17

Between the two. I mean there's got to be, because you know there are going to be certain things that they just can't animate, or, um, they need to. They need to change it pacing wise, like cut some, cut some text.

Speaker 2: 18:23

Well, that just happened right with the dad. Didn't they switch, didn't they move that around, or something? You're telling me that, right?

Speaker 1: 18:27

yeah, that's changed up a little bit too, but again, that doesn't so. Now that they've fixed it and the where his dad showed up and in America, then he finally came out of a gate. Um, now that they've fixed that I'm not so irritated with it anymore. And I kind of understand what they did. You know they they brought Dong Soo Hwang back to Korea just as a yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 2: 18:53

Yeah, yeah, cliffhanger a little bit.

Speaker 1: 18:55

that was that, yeah, cliffhanger yeah yeah, a little bit of a cliffhanger. And so he went back to america and then met jinwoo's dad.

Speaker 2: 19:02

But you know, again in the light, not that ever actually happened he got right he got rocked, he absolutely got floored yeah, which is great because you, you want to see the, the power of his dad, you know, in a way like that. So I, you know, I have a little bit of things too, like gripes I guess, but I don't know, I don't know if they would say they're gripes. I hope they they kind of hinted at it in one of the episodes that kind of showed one of the lighter parts. Um, you know there's a lot of. Even though jim was so serious and know he'll kill people and stuff whatever, he kind of plays around a little bit with his shadows, right, like they have like a playful friend relationship which maybe they're building more towards that.

Speaker 2: 19:44

I remember there being more moments where there was like silly little moments with the shadows in him, which was really good because it kind of showed they have personality, you know. So they kind of hinted at it when iron was just slamming the body a million times with the hammer, yeah, and he's like holy man, stop. But like there's more moments than that. So I hope that they keep those and I hope they keep some of the side story stuff in it. I I read on a comment somewhere that people are saying I don't know if it's real. But I saw people saying they're actually just focusing more on him and gonna not really do some of the side character stories. I really hope that's not true, because you need to be able to see the full cast, it's not just his story. I hope they don't do that.

Speaker 1: 20:31

So how did you feel about the demon tower? And I'm asking specifically because you mentioned some of the way that they're not portraying his behavior with his shadow warriors how did you feel?

Speaker 2: 20:44

about that. So I mean I don't. I'm trying to remember if anything of note happened on the first 75 floors in the manhwa. I mean I remember the ending of the whole castle arc, which was awesome, but I don't. I feel like I feel like there's something missing, like I feel like they just rush right through those 75 floors super fast, which they may have in the manhwa, but I remember it being longer. So I don't know. I mean I don't know if there's jumping stuff just to kind of like I don't know. But so, like the guy to high school anime, which the model is really fun, it's cool. It's the action is awesome in it too, um, and the mythology of the character it's really fun.

Speaker 2: 21:24

It's a good story. They jumped so fast to that that they ruined it. So I'm I don't know really why they did that, but I hope they're not. I don't think they're doing it through this one's super, ultra fast, but it does seem to be moving pretty quickly. Like you know, you could get some seasons out of this. I hope it's not over in like four seasons or something you know.

Speaker 1: 21:45

Yeah, I would like to see. I would like to see you know.

Speaker 2: 21:50

I don't know, 10 seasons, yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:53

Something like that. I could probably realistically do six easily with just the current story content. Other you know, minor irks for me was they? He didn't. They didn't show any any of his um collaboration with his, with the shadow warriors, because in the demon's castle that's where he starts to. You know coordinate and learn how to do battle and send them out in the squads. You know to level the floors yeah, he, only he.

Speaker 2: 22:31

They really quickly hinted, like he said, like a throw over the line, like go do this or something. But it's not really shown like in the anime. It looks like, yeah, they were fighting with him, but it was more him clearing out the floors on his own right, yeah, it looked.

Speaker 1: 22:46

It looked like they were. They were fighting with him, but in the light novel specifically, he got tired. I mean not tired, but he was like this, is you know? It's pretty much in this killer level ones, yeah, yeah you guys up in the groups of 20 and everybody go destroy shit yeah, kill everybody and let's go.

Speaker 2: 23:02

Yeah, it did. It didn't really tell you that in the show. It felt like it was like hey, let's just do this quickly. But like you're right, he definitely it's. He definitely gets tactical in a way. I guess he did it too when he was fighting the Frost Elf guy. They were all hyping him to fight. But I think that it's their team is kind of how. I hope that they keep that. I mean, I don't know, it's not just him. I mean he's a badass, but it's not just him yet Well, I think what I would say there is.

Speaker 1: 23:32

You know, when they were fighting um barca, like you said, that in the ice elves, yes, they operate as a team and there was a little bit of collaboration there, but that's, that's just in the moment. Fight tactics, that's not overwhelming. You know, I'm organizing an army and deploying an army to conquer like a general.

Speaker 2: 23:52

Yeah, he's not there yet.

Speaker 1: 23:54

Yeah, yeah, for sure and but that's part of what the shadow monarch is, and that's that's why I found that a little bit, you know, slightly irritating, because that's you're you're taking away kind of a key part of what his character is supposed to yeah, it's not just him killing everyone, it's like you know, he literally is like an endless army that never stops.

Speaker 2: 24:13

You know, and I hope that they're gonna I don't know kind of show. I mean, I'm sure that well, I mean, the last episode was really good and even though there wasn't a lot of action whatever, but it did a great job like introducing the characters and, um, you know it, I think it's great. I just hope they don't get ahead of themselves.

Speaker 1: 24:30

You know, I get worried about that stuff yeah, no, I, I absolutely am in agreement with you and a hundred percent. Again, this isn't throwing shade at the the studio a1 pictures. This isn't throwing shade because they could fix all of these things and they could introduce them slightly different places in the storyline, to still tell these stories and, you know, get everything right about jinwu and his shadow warriors, and the entire thing could go off without a hitch. These are current gripes. This, this shit, could all be fixed later on down the road.

Speaker 1: 25:02

I don't know yeah, and for sure and honestly, even if they don't fix it, it's not like I'm gonna stop watching the show. These aren't big enough gripes where I'm gonna be like I hate this show. Now I'm done.

Speaker 2: 25:14

Yeah, exactly. What do you think about? It seems to be where it's going to end for the season. What do you think about that?

Speaker 1: 25:23

I am a little concerned.

Speaker 1: 25:26

I'm a little concerned with the pacing and how often they're talking about Jeju Island and how often they show the stuff about Jeju Island. So season one ended at the class change quest, which was technically the first half of volume two for the light novels. So, pacing wise, if you follow that same pacing schedule, it would make the most sense for season two to end with, you know, demon tower part two going up to floor a hundred. Um, that, that would make the most sense. Pacing wise, for what they covered in season one, and I'm just talking strictly the amount of, you know the, the amount of material you covered in volume one for season one, the amount of material you covered in Volume 1 for Season 1, if you covered that same amount of material, you'd be at the Demon Tower, the end of the Demon Tower. That would be the logical endpoint really. But if they're skipping forward to Jeju Island, if that's where they're really pushing this, they're kind of cutting out a whole lot of content.

Speaker 2: 26:36

So I have a question about this because I want to make sure, because it's been too many years In the story. Is it the Demon Castle finish first, then Jeju Island, or which way does it go? Or is it opposite?

Speaker 1: 26:48

It's, the Demon Castle finishes first, a bunch of other stuff happens and then Jeju Island. So, realistically, like if we were going to go pacing just according to the light novel and what they did with season one, demon Tower, part two would be the end of season two and Jeju Island would be mid season three and probably like the last four episodes of season three. But as much as they're bringing it up and pushing that story forward, I don't think they can afford to make it wait another year, unless again they could fix this. I didn't look to see what their episode count was going to be for this season. Did they all of a sudden jump it up to 24 episodes?

Speaker 2: 27:31

Because if they did that, then you had now I don't know, I didn't even.

Speaker 1: 27:37

I'll let hold on it's probably 12th I, so there's really one thing I I had a bunch of minor irks with this, but I do kind of want to bring up a major irk 13. It's 13 by the way, 13 dang it okay. So yeah, the pacing just feels off to me so do you think they're gonna crush the island?

Speaker 2: 27:57

I'm sorry, crash the castle, last part a few, a couple episodes, and then he's gonna jump right. He's gonna go from there to jeju island. We're already doing all that. That's what I think they're gonna do.

Speaker 1: 28:08

Well, that he's gotta, okay. So here's the thing he's gotta he's gotta finish crushing, crushing the demon castle. He's gotta wake up his mom. He's gotta deal with all the aftermath of being, uh, evaluated in an s class, and then he's gotta deal with jeju island. So, like, that's a whole lot to to pack into the rest of the season I think they're gonna do.

Speaker 2: 28:27

he's gonna I don't know, I don't I again I could be talking about my ass or whatever, but I feel like they're going to. He's going to go into the castle. They're going to try to raid it. Wait, let me rephrase it's going to come out about the S-Class, because they're already showing it's about to happen. So all the fanfare and all that. Then he's going to go into the castle to kind of get away from that and finish all that stuff. And while he's in there, I think they're going to start the Jeju Island thing, where the other hunters are starting to raid it, and then he'll finish the castle. And I have a feeling he's going to jump right to saving everyone's ass and doing the Jeju Island and the season will end with him waking up his mom.

Speaker 1: 29:06

I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 29:07

And I think they're going to do that?

Speaker 1: 29:12

I guess that could work, but I feel like they miss out on a lot of content. Sure, and this kind of plays back to what I was saying while you were, while you were looking that up, I I do have one major gripe and it's that it seems like the anime is cutting out some of jinwu's darker side yeah, I, I agree.

Speaker 2: 29:28

Um, you only really saw it. When did you really see it, though? I mean, obviously, the assassin trying to kill him, the other members, you know, or the system wants me to kill them, but when I guess you sort of and they didn't even really show you you kind of have to look at it and if you know the darkness of him, like he just destroyed Iron, like immediately, you know he set that all up and then killed them, was like whatever, I don't care, you shouldn't have attacked me. But they didn't really like you know, it didn't come off in a cold-hearted way because he was a human, like whether iron's a dumbass, and he shouldn't have done all that. He blamed them. Absolutely cool, he didn't have to kill the dude, you know he needed him for the fight. It wasn't about like it wasn't a really a righteous kid I mean, he's like way stronger than I am. He just murdered him, raised him up hey, help me fight, and that's the doctor that you're talking about.

Speaker 1: 30:21

But it wasn't really acknowledged at all it wasn't acknowledged at all and it was just like whatever and I get that they were in the middle of a fight scene, so it's kind of hard to do the exposition. But you can either fix this by throwing in an explainer at the end, which they did not do, or you could have him be talking in his brain, you know, while he's fighting, which they also kind of did not do they could have did that yeah the major thing there is, he was very adamant, um, you know, when he talked internal monologuing, he was very adamant that he was never going to turn a human into a shadow warrior.

Speaker 1: 30:56

And then when he gets into the Red Gate, and Chul's a big annoying bastard and that's fine, that's the way the character was meant to go. But there's a line when he's talking to himself and he's predicting this, you know that Chul is going to attack him. There's a line where he says well, if it was you, I can make an exception, you know, and that just points out that In the light novel anyways, it points out that that you know he's starting to turn darker and the whole setup that they also did not show. He kicked, uh, chul's sword over to him in the middle of the fight, it didn't?

Speaker 1: 31:43

that sword didn't fall right next to him. He didn't fall and his sword fell out of his hand and it's just kind of there. No, he was like go ahead and do it. Yeah, jinwoo had to kick that sword over to him and now, granted, he can't make the man's decision for him, but he helped him along. That's kind of like an assisted suicide.

Speaker 2: 31:59

Well, yeah, it's like the whole. I'm going to give you this choice directly. Are you going to chill or are you going to do this thing you want to do?

Speaker 1: 32:13

And if you do this thing, I do, it gives me the right to do what I need to do, which I actually do. Need you to fight this guy. Blah, blah, blah, but the coldness of it right. So the coldness of it would be that would be similar to. I don't know that would be similar. I can't even think of something that I want to say on air. That's like that would be similar to.

Speaker 2: 32:32

It's bad, it's kind of would be similar to, it's kind of like yeah, it's terrible and assisted suicide is the nicest way I can put that oh yeah, absolutely yeah, that would be a good way and and it's kind of like he knew what he was going to do, like he knew that and but he wanted the justification as if, if anyone was watching, they'd be like, well, he did run at him, you know, and he doesn't care, like he needed him to fight for the fight. That was the point. And you know, I I don't know if they're going to yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know if they're going to do that man, I don't think they're going to do that. I think they wanted to be more hero side, then like and justify the mean side. You know he's an anti-hero, though he's not a hero, he's an anti-hero.

Speaker 2: 33:16

I don't know if they're gonna, they're gonna push it. I mean, maybe they will, we'll see, we'll see. I mean, you know there's some stuff with the ant. You know beer and the ant stuff later on that's like pretty, like dang, okay, so he sends them on. You know to do stuff. So I don't know, I hope they lean into it because that's his character, it is part of his character. Don't, don't cross it over for the anime. Go, go there, do it, let's go.

Speaker 1: 33:37

We'll see. We'll see how they treat it and again, I'm not going to stop watching it.

Speaker 2: 33:42

but no, it's great, it's awesome. Yeah, it should we um should we about time to jump into the, you know the hot takes for the evening.

Speaker 1: 33:58

Yeah, yeah, once you get first you do your first hot take what is your go-to guilty pleasure or comfort anime? You want me to go first?

Speaker 1: 34:08

yeah, I've done it all right, fairy tale, specifically, specifically fairy tale, season one. And I'll tell you why. Um, when, before I got into tech, uh, when my son was about, you know, he was still a toddler, he was about one years old, maybe 18 months I I got switched to night shift and about the only time I could spend with my son because I worked 12 hours a day. So on my nights off, I would tell my wife go ahead and go to bed and I would sit there on the couch in the living room with my son just in my arms and I would just hold him sitting there watching Fairytale season one over and over, just because it was on Netflix at the time and I could binge those episodes.

Speaker 1: 34:53

And it got to the point where, as he got a little bit older you know two, three, four he would hear the song in the background and he would get so excited and start humming it and trying to make up words because obviously you know it's in japanese. Um, so the theme, you know the opening songs he'd be trying to sing them and do a little dance and it was just hilarious. So now you know, like, if I'm ever just, uh, chilling or just need something comfort, you know to watch.

Speaker 2: 35:20

I'll put on fairytale season one, hey man, I mean I, I totally get it, it's. It's one of those ones that it's just like it puts you in nostalgia of your kids. You know like I, I get it, man, and it's you know, know, it feels very sad sometimes. So I, yeah, it hits the heart a little bit. I'm a hundred percent on board with it. So for mine it's more comfort, guilty pleasure type thing, but it's not even me, it's not even me watching like the actual episodes over and over, but it's more like I'll go to YouTube and watch certain battles and clips and for me it's Bleach.

Speaker 2: 35:57

Man, I just think Bleach has such a cool action scenes and stuff and the music is just so dope and there would be times I'd be writing and I'd literally put the Bleach soundtrack on on YouTube and battle music and literally replaying it in my head as I'm writing. Because it gets me in that space of just like, if I'm writing action, which is my favorite thing to write, it just puts me in that like epic visualization mode to like really draw some, you know, in my mind play out some action scenes of stuff. So it's, um, yeah, I mean I probably watched ichigo in his uh, vasto lord, you know, awesome fight scene like a million times. It's just, it's um, yeah, I mean, I probably watched Ichigo in his uh Vastalord, you know, awesome fight scene like a million times. It's just, it's just yeah, it's just there. It's just my thing. Um, it's, it's just great. I mean I've, I would rewatch it, but there's just too many episodes, man, I can't, can't commit.

Speaker 1: 36:47

There is a lot and I will restart watching it. A lot, and I will restart watching it. I swear, uh, yeah, but no filler version please. Yeah, you sent me the link for the no to how to watch it with no filler episodes, so I will. I will check all that out.

Speaker 2: 36:59

Um, it's my one of my friend's brothers explained bleach, he's like it's dragon ball z with swords, and I can see it.

Speaker 1: 37:07

It's just fighting with swords instead of punching each other with power-ups and transformations and all that fun stuff I was completely blown out of the water because I loved bleach, right up until it got to vampires and I was like what the? I was like vampires don't make sense in this world this is nonsense, yeah, and then, so I was blown. I was blown out of the water when you were like, bro, that's all filler and I'm like shut up, dude.

Speaker 2: 37:30

You're like now I understand that's all filler and I'm like shut up, dude. You're like now I understand why he did it and, honestly, ichigo, he's just a shit talker too, man. That's what I love about him. He'll just talk shit to you while he's fighting you. So I love that. Let's go ahead. Let's keep doing that.

Speaker 1: 37:44

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Speaker 2: 37:58

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