Speaker 1: 0:05

Welcome to Realm Jumpers. I'm Andrew and this is my co-host, jordan.

Speaker 2: 0:09

Hey everyone. We're here to dive into the worlds of fantasy and anime, bringing you epic stories and unforgettable adventures.

Speaker 1: 0:16

We'll be talking world building, unforgettable villains and everything that makes these genres legendary. So let's jump into the Realm and everything that makes these genres legendary. So let's jump into the realm. Hey, jumpers, welcome back to week six. Thanks for joining us again for another dive into a realm, tonight's topic is going to be fantasy novels. That should have been an anime.

Speaker 3: 0:38

All right, man Dude killing it. We've all been sick.

Speaker 1: 0:40

We were just talking about that. Everybody's sick, just trying to get over it. What do you have for us, for realm owners tonight?

Speaker 3: 0:47

yeah, man. So there's um, there's a couple different ones. Apparently there's kind of like a rabbit hole situation going on here. So it's the guy who voiced uh gajio, what was his name? I know you remember his name. There you go. Yeah, obviously, kick-ass voice actor. Um, he's kind of like over crunchyroll man. He kind of accused them of some stuff and was just like. You know, they're going through my fan mail. They're like you know, I didn't know about it. Apparently there's some dirty stuff going on behind the scenes in some way yeah, I know, I know you read a little bit yeah, go into a little bit more.

Speaker 3: 1:22

I know you were, you were the one who kind of found some of this and I was reading some of it. But yeah, go in a little bit on that.

Speaker 1: 1:27

On it for us I mean, really, it's just the whole rabbit hole, right. So the the first thing I saw was the um, the guy got fired after a ada request, you know, which is a americans with disabilities act um I don't want to get into his whole personal story, but I mean he's got picture proof on here of like his direct boss flipping him off in a uh, in a zoom call I mean I record everything, right yeah I guess it doesn't even.

Speaker 1: 1:58

It doesn't look uh like generated. You know what I mean? Yeah, it looks legit, so it's so it's legit.

Speaker 3: 2:05

So is he? Is he suing them kind of like wrongful termination? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, it looks legit, so, so it's legit. So is he? Is he suing them kind of like wrongful termination? Do you know?

Speaker 1: 2:10

is that kind of what I would imagine. He's got a wrongful termination suit uh coming, but he definitely posted to social media and he took to twitter and he or x, you know, and he was like airing it out, yeah, hammered out he's like 2024 was the worst year of my life you know my mother was.

Speaker 1: 2:26

My mother was sick, I was, you know, just because everything going on with mom, I, I, uh, I was diagnosed with, you know, like super stress and some other stuff, and he just asked for a couple of ada requests which you know they should have complied with oh yeah, complied with.

Speaker 3: 2:43

I mean, he has issues going on. Man, we've all been through some stuff Like sometimes work needs to give you some you know leeway there. And then Sony owns Crunchyroll right. Is that what we were saying earlier?

Speaker 1: 2:56

Right. So you know that's just the rabbit hole right, Because we discussed, you brought to our attention a couple of weeks ago for the, the danded and thing, where crunchyroll didn't promote danded, and for two months. So this initial article, you know, for the, the guy that got fired, um, just sent me down the rabbit hole, man, and I started chasing stuff and I'm like so now sony, the parent company who owns crunchyroll, apparently they have said um, just, they treat anime as like kids cartoons, which that makes more sense now in the context of what they did with dan to dan, they don't, they don't care they don't care even though they're like fan base yeah, that's so wild, though right, because they should know how big anime is, especially in the west as well.

Speaker 3: 3:42

Very weird, maybe like the older generation still in control. Maybe you know they don't get it probably quite a few boomers.

Speaker 1: 3:50

There's probably boomers still in charge, you know, and it's. I've met a few boomers that liked anime, but let's face it, it's not. You know, it's few and far between right.

Speaker 3: 3:58

That's not a uh, that's not a norm, that's not a standard thing maybe it's the same boomers who keep making these spider-man villain movies without Spider-Man in the actual movie, and then they're just horrible train wrecks of movies, dude. I have no idea. It's probably the same thing. And then there was something else, right, wasn't there something about the CEO must remain Japanese, or something? What was that about?

Speaker 1: 4:19

So it's an attention grabbing headline. It's like a clickbait headline Of course.

Speaker 1: 4:25

Um, it's an attention grabbing headline, it's like a clickbait headline. But when you get into the, when you get into the meat of what, what he's actually saying, um, it seems pretty, it's pretty meh to me. You know what I mean. They clickbait you with the, the guy saying the quote anime must remain inherently Japanese, making it sound like only japanese artists, only japanese works, only japanese stories. And that's not what they're saying. He's open to doing anything. You know any story from anywhere. Provide me a story and we'll make it. What he is saying should remain inherently japanese is the studio, the artwork, the creation of the actual anime, that that shouldn't be handed off or farmed off to a studio in america and india.

Speaker 3: 5:08

You know I mean else, which I don't blame them.

Speaker 1: 5:10

I mean, come on, yeah, no I see the point and I agree with it because he's right. Um, anime is inherently japanese. There's nothing wrong with adapting other stories, but but leave the art where it is.

Speaker 3: 5:24

You know, and that that proved out with solo leveling yeah, because it's a story that they yeah that's a korean story that they've brought brought to a japanese studio so you're saying I have a chance, man, to get my stuff animated one day.

Speaker 1: 5:36

That's what it sounds like you and a few others dude, I really am. I'm hoping that you know there is a chance for that.

Speaker 3: 5:42

That would be true great yeah, absolutely well, buddy, on this one I mean, you're kind of heavy lifting on this because you're the novel man, you know you're, you're kind of the uh, the dude on on that. That's the expert, at least in this. In this little duo we got, you're the novel king, so I guess you're kind of going to have to talk to me a little bit about this, and you main topic novels. That would make great anime.

Speaker 1: 6:05

So let's hear it, buddy, you know this is the crazy part, because you're the only official writer out of the two of us.

Speaker 3: 6:13

For now.

Speaker 1: 6:14

For now, that's the thing I write. You're published, you know. So I feel like this should be the opposite, right? I feel like you should be pushing books and feeling like everybody needs to go read a damn book. What is?

Speaker 3: 6:27

wrong with you? Yeah, I know, I'm just. I don't know I'm weird man. What do you want?

Speaker 1: 6:34

I'm a weird guy.

Speaker 3: 6:34

All right, well, let's dive into it.

Speaker 1: 6:36

You know you ready, let's do it. All right. So the first, you know know, the first novel that I think should be made into an anime is a, uh, a little novel called mistborn by brandon sanderson. Okay, have you? Have you heard anything about mistborn previous to talking to me?

Speaker 3: 6:54

uh, let's do this so I've heard about, you know, obviously brandon, he's, you know, kind of a goat. You know he's probably in that conversation, um, but uh, no, mistborn, I mean I I've heard it in passing, but it's one of those things it's like where do I start? He has a ton of novels, man, right. So it's like, no, he's prolific, yeah, where do you jump in? You know, it's almost like okay, I could probably figure it out, but no, I don't know much about it all right.

Speaker 1: 7:21

well, let's dive into this one, why I think Mistborn should be made into an anime. So first you know, first point, mistborn. Let me give you a little bit of everybody, a little bit of backstory, in case they haven't heard of Mistborn or read it. Mistborn takes place in a dystopian world called Scadrio. This is a world where ash falls from the sky, plants struggle to survive and the sun burns bright red. That's not your typical fantasy setting, right?

Speaker 3: 7:52

Yeah, it's kind of cool. It's giving me a Tatooine vibes from Star Wars or something Right?

Speaker 1: 7:57

The whole vibe is bleak, but it is fascinating and I think that would translate beautifully into anime for multiple reasons, but it just that would be. That would be gorgeous, right? Just imagine an opening sequence. You've got the mist rolling in through the streets, dark silhouettes you know the nobility are looking down at everybody from the high rise keeps and you've got the squad of steel inquisitors which I'll get into those later but you've got a squad of steel inquisitors marching through the mist. It's just beautiful. I think it would work great as an anime intro. I think it would work great as an anime. There's nothing about this so far that I don't think would work.

Speaker 3: 8:36

I'm already, buddy, I'm sold already. Let's get it, man, all right, sounds awesome.

Speaker 1: 8:45

So then we've got, you know that that brings us to the Lord Ruler. He's a so-called God and he rules with, you know, an iron fist, and I do mean that literally, because he's functionally immortal, he's got insane magical abilities and he rules through through sheer terror. This guy is an anime villain waiting to happen I you know the type you know the type. It's like the you've got no hope of winning he's got that kind of energy overpowering deep.

Speaker 1: 9:14

Yeah, he's got that deep and menacing voice and just a presence. He's just got that big final boss presence, you know yeah, I mean that's.

Speaker 3: 9:22

You need a good antagonist. So if he's that strong, you know obviously that this leads right into, you know, anime territory here right.

Speaker 1: 9:30

So next I'm getting into a little bit of the uh, you know the magic system, right, it's built around burning metal as a power source and this, to me, is like that's peak, peak anime material. We're talking full-blown fluid motion combat characters, you know, flinging themselves through the sky by pushing off a metal, jumping off of bits of steel. They can sense enemies through, you know, through burning bronze, and they manipulate emotions in real time. You know the um, I forgot what it is. Is it 10? I forget which metal it is, but one of the one of the metals. You can burn that metal to manipulate emotions. That's not just cool man, that's like. That's built for being brought to an animation studio, that.

Speaker 3: 10:15

It's built for dynamic fight choreography so let me ask a question here on this. So I want to make sure I understand. So is are they harnessing the magic in metal? Are they melting metal? How are they explain a little bit more, because I need to, I need to visually understand. That's an. So it has been.

Speaker 1: 10:33

It has been a little while since I read it. I believe they consume the metal and somebody's gonna fire off and kill me for the people that have read the book I believe they consume the metal, but yeah, their, their body burns the metal energy and it becomes it becomes specific power.

Speaker 1: 10:50

So, like steel would be irons used as like a push, pull force. Okay, and then steel is something about. Like you, I remember. I remember the main character like jumping off of steel and like just continuing to push themselves off of steel in the midair. That's pretty cool, yeah, he basically created a flying character just by burning steel.

Speaker 3: 11:14

Yeah, you're going to need a really good studio for this man. I think you might be right about Attack on Titan, because it's very dynamic, it sounds.

Speaker 1: 11:21

Yeah, so that's actually what I was thinking about. So I mean, like you loved attack on titan, I've, I'm still not done with it. I've seen a few episodes, but you know, those aerial acrobatics, you know, if you think about it like that missed born's fight scenes could take that to the next level and just really drive that. You know that aerial, the aerial combat, uh, to the next level. Yeah, it sounds dope for sure.

Speaker 1: 11:43

Yeah, so you know, on top of that, like the way the story was created, right when Brandon Sanderson got the idea, he literally thought let's make a fantasy Ocean's Eleven. And you know that's exactly what that is. He was watching, he was watching and this is coming from a you know an interview he gave. He was watching Ocean's Eleven and he was like this is cool, I like a heist story, how can I make a fantasy heist story? And that's what he did. Man, you've got your full on specialist crew. Oh yeah, no, it's badass, you got it. You got a full on specialist crew.

Speaker 1: 12:20

And you know, everybody knows, like a good heist trope, just do that hits hard, right, I like Psycho Pass, akadama Drive, lupin the Third If you've, if you've watched Lupin the Third, just a good heist story always hits. I mean it hits hard, just like an entire arc of the female main character, vin when she's got to start infiltrating noble society, arc of the female main character vin when she's got to start infiltrating noble society. And you know, you've got the tension building with every ball she attends and she's trying to do some spying and make nice and play friends and you know, just do you know, do all the spy stuff. And then you've got kelsey, or the male male character, the male main character in mistborn.

Speaker 1: 13:00

Now this dude is just out there scheming like a charismatic psychopath mastermind, right like he's just going nuts out there yeah, that's cool, you like that anti-villain like level character yeah yeah, and it just, I mean you've got an inborn multi-episode arc just on, you know, the heist part of the story, right like it's. I, I don't know, I, I feel like it would be amazing to to see that happen, to see somebody animate this, um, and and sanderson brandon sanderson, the author, he's already open to put, he's already open to putting this on screen, right like his plan was to make a live action movie and they got as far as some of the casting done. Um, and you know, for me this one hurts because it, you know it means I was that close to being able to see miss born in live action, but the butt there is. Honestly, I think anime would just be better for it.

Speaker 1: 13:59

Um, I think anime would be the better platform for it.

Speaker 3: 14:02

I'm with you because you know I watch a good amount of those live action fantasy stuff you know, off books and it's cool their shows and I guess they do have big budgets. But it just somehow doesn't seem to translate correctly and I always feel like it is missing something, even though some of them I haven't read them, so I really shouldn't say that. But even if I haven't read it and I'm watching it, I should totally be bought in on the show and a lot of them. I don't know if it's cgi, I don't know if it's the state of cgi nowadays, I don't know if it's casting, but I I kind of see what you mean a little bit about. You know, the anime thing would be a really interesting version of doing this, because they haven't done that yet you know.

Speaker 1: 14:42

So I think another point based off based on you know, hitting off of what you're just saying, you know, I think what it comes down to is the unique magic systems, um, like lord of the rings, you get some flashy stuff happening, but the lord of the rings books it wasn't very clearly described how magic took place, so you could kind of bend the rules there a little bit. Um, but big budget you know, big budget films, uh, especially when fantasy is involved, they live or die by their cgi, which like hashtag that you know, I'm gonna put that on t-shirt at some point. Right, uh, live or die by the cgi. Yeah, if you don't have game of thrones, your magic's just going to look janky.

Speaker 3: 15:26

So let me ask you, because you'd be a great person to answer this so, like the whole Wheel of Time show on Prime right, does the magic look great or does it just look okay? And you know, the budget's huge, it's Amazon and it just doesn't seem like it's not hitting. Not hitting like Lord of the Rings they would hit.

Speaker 1: 15:45

Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 3: 15:47

And or Game of Thrones.

Speaker 1: 15:48

Dude, that's OK. So that's, you're dragging me down in a completely different rabbit hole. I appreciate the show for what it's done, but you know there's the big caveat there.

Speaker 2: 16:00

Right. But, no, the magic was janky, it didn't look right.

Speaker 1: 16:06

That was one of those circumstances where they used too much cgi. I think, I think they could have done less as more there with that, with that, and gotten a better effect. Um, because they didn't clearly explain that normal humans in that world can't see magic happening. The only people that would be able to see the threads of magic are magic users themselves oh, I didn't even know that, so yeah, that intro episode where she starts waving her hands around and doing some crazy stuff.

Speaker 1: 16:35

That was another thing that's mentioned in the books. They don't really need to wave their hands around, they can just do it with a thought. If you're a magic user, you will see the threads of magic happening, but um, interesting but, normal humans wouldn't be able to see that and they actually. They actually like deride um, people that use magic by waving around their hands. They call it a crutch because it is you know they're. They're saying you're not mentally strong enough to be able to do it with just a thought. Okay, interesting.

Speaker 3: 17:04

Okay, well, I always wonder, because I always feel like Game of Thrones really nailed the realistic looking stuff, but then, like some of these other shows, even Rings of Power, like all these other ones that they're doing, which is cool, to see fantasy being made in TV and it's probably better to have a series than a movie, obviously but like, are you guys really doing it right? And in anime you would do it right because it's anime, like you're gonna do it right, and you know that's, that's my whole thing.

Speaker 1: 17:29

Anime is just gonna do a fantasy series better, period. But I think anime specifically for mistborn would be the correct choice. Don't get me wrong, man. I, if they put together the live action, I'm going to go see it. I'm going to be going to see it on opening night. But I would be afraid that they are going to screw up the budget and they're either going to make the CGI janky or it's just it's going to fall flat, you know.

Speaker 3: 17:59

I see it, oh well, yeah, sorry, I'm not trying to rabbit hole you, but it just seemed like a good like, because that's a big thing people talk about right now is the shows you know and and again.

Speaker 1: 18:10

You know I do love wheel of time, but that is a whole. That is a whole rabbit hole. I the books and the, the books and the tv show. I love them both for separate reasons, but that's a whole. You know that's a whole rabbit hole. But yeah, anime, anime thrives in the fantasy space, right, they thrive in the magic space. You know, look at Demon Slayer, jujutsu Kaisen. Or you know, full Metal Alchemist. You've got these huge magic, intense fight scenes that are very well choreographed, they're very well drawn and it just looks amazing and it doesn't break immersion. Right, and I think that's what happens to me in the live action story is when the CGI budget is jacked, the story falls flat Like it breaks me out of the scene.

Speaker 1: 18:55

Yeah, it breaks me out of the world and it just falls and I'm like, oh, now I'm just watching it. I was in it a minute ago, but now I'm just seeing it.

Speaker 3: 19:06

Well, you say full metal, man. I mean, I was thinking full metal as you're going over this and I'm like this sounds not the same, obviously, but like the metal aspect and it, it almost does sound like alchemy type stuff. So it's very interesting and I'm that that's kind of what you're you're saying like, yeah, actually it's very similar as far as like that type of level of fantasy. It's it, dude, it sounds, it sounds like it'd be great you need to tell brandon.

Speaker 1: 19:34

You know, I wish I I. My greatest hope is that someone listens to this episode that knows brandon and just tags him and says like, hey, you need to check out this idea. This one would be great as an anime. That would be insane. Yeah, that would be. That would be amazing but you need.

Speaker 3: 19:49

You need the studio dude, like we're talking about realm rumors. You need the right studio. Right, you can't like I love invincible on amazon, it's great, but like when you compare that to soul leveling or other, you just yeah, the animation just it's not hitting man, it it's just not there.

Speaker 1: 20:02

Yeah, no, I agree, I don't know. Studio Bones, madhouse, ufotable, I think any of them would kill it. The Goats, and then you've got your A1 Picture Studios, which is doing solo leveling. I think they would also do a good job.

Speaker 2: 20:17

Studio Wit would do good too by the way, okay, okay, I think they're doing the one piece new one.

Speaker 3: 20:23

Yeah, they did the original attack on Titan first couple of seasons. I think they could probably handle it.

Speaker 1: 20:27

Yeah, I think any of those studios could handle the vibes well enough, like the. So you know, obviously, the magic, I think that any of those studios could handle it. But then you get the steampunk vibes Right and that's another for me steampunk, I'm going to watch it. That was initially what drew me to Full Metal Alchemist. You know that, like it just looks a little steampunk and I don't know. There's just something about that steampunk stuff that I'm just like, oh yeah, I want to check this out and it always hits right. I mentioned Full Metal Alchemist earlier, but you know you've got cabin area of the iron fortress, um, and fairy gone, fairy gone. You know, I don't know if you saw that one, but that's also very steampunk. Um, the magic was a little off for me. But honestly, the whole steampunk vibe. I watched it and I was like man, this is great.

Speaker 3: 21:21

I freaking love this yeah, it's a good aesthetic. For sure, it's definitely. It pulls you in 100%. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:27

Yeah. So if you, if you follow that even deeper, why this would look good as an anime. You know, they've got the, they've got the big, like the Victorian elegance, the Gothic structures, you know, and then you've got the industrial this of everything in the backdrop. You know you're going to have these plants puffing off smoke and just all of the. You know, I don't know. Steampunk, dude, again, that's enough said, right, like, for me that's enough to watch it, but I know that doesn't push it for everybody. The aesthetic just works, though. You know then the main character, the female main character. You know she's in a dark cloud, just mist filled skyline. You know Kelsey is just pulling off a heist um high society ballroom somewhere. You know, just, it's fantastic, dude.

Speaker 3: 22:17

I think the steampunk vibes just really work for anime and you don't have a lot of it, you know. So it's, it would stand out automatically, just because there isn't a lot of that aesthetic right now, or it's been like years since we've seen the last one yeah, it's, it's.

Speaker 1: 22:31

Every couple of years we get a good one or even a half decent one, but steampunk isn't, isn't every single, it's not every single anime. So they'd be bringing something fresh. Right, like magic's been done, obviously, but has a heist story in a steampunk setting with magic been done? No, like that hasn't. You know that that's gonna, it's gonna slap dude. It's gonna be great, absolutely. And you know there's also the, the element of like. There's also the little bit of element of like the dark fantasy, right, and it's not. It's not like grim dark, like berserk, like just dark for the sake of being dark. Sometimes that's like the pit of hell dark, right, yeah, it's bad, but we need more of the dark fantasy. Like don't give us all light-hearted shit all the time. Dark fantasy anime you know they thrive when they give you the hope and the despair. You know you gotta have it balanced on a scale, equal measure, right, like made an abyss, uh, vinland saga, and sometimes berserk, you know absolutely. Yeah, miss born's got the real stakes. Characters actually die.

Speaker 3: 23:39

You know that it's an emotional, just an emotional gut punch in in every single story arc oh yeah, dude, it sounds like I mean I don't know how many seasons, give it four or five I mean, I'll get into that.

Speaker 1: 23:54

I have a point about that actually. Okay, good, good, yeah, um, I we've we've touched on the magic system already a little bit, but I cannot perfectly, I, I cannot overstate how perfectly allomancy which is is, you know, the magic system there.

Speaker 3: 24:13

Oh, that's a dope name for that Right Allomancy I like that Allomancy.

Speaker 1: 24:18

I cannot overstate how perfect that would be for an anime. The biggest issue you know we've also touched on this the biggest issue with live action magic is just it doesn't have the weight behind it. You know it doesn't feel good, it doesn't feel like you're there. You get Gandalf waving his hands and then you know there's some vague glowy thing happens and then boom, you know you get a spell. But with allomancy, with a concept like allomancy, it's just it's. You can feel it right, you can taste it. It's tactile, Like it's a thing, like you can imagine this process happening. Um, you, you consume the metal and you, you know your body burns it and breaks it down to get the powers. There's an actual mechanical process behind it and it feels real, even though you know your brain knows it. Not it it's. It's not just magic happened, it's strategy and skill, like resource management.

Speaker 3: 25:14

Yeah, it's actually really cool. So is it like they hold the metal and it dissolves? I'm assuming they're not eating it.

Speaker 1: 25:20

No, honestly, I feel like they put it in their mouths and swallow it. Dang. That's awesome. We're talking like small pieces of you know, like not huge chunks of steel, like smaller pieces of metal.

Speaker 3: 25:31

That's still cool, though, cause you have to like have it, and then you got to like yeah, that's. That's really interesting.

Speaker 1: 25:37

But it also puts you in a place for some really crazy tactical battles Right, which is another thing we've talked about that we both love. Like record of grand crest war had a lot of the tactics and solo leveling. That was one of our gripes was they're leaving some of the tactical side of gene was progress out. I love tactics. Um, just imagine that fight scene. You know that like somebody's running through the air and they run out of steel and now you've got to shift your tactics to try to figure out what the fuck you're gonna do when you're following.

Speaker 3: 26:07

You're gonna splat.

Speaker 2: 26:08

Yeah, you're gonna splat what do you gotta going to do when you're going to?

Speaker 1: 26:10

splat? Yeah, you're going to splat. What do you got to do to fix this situation? Or you know I briefly mentioned that you know you've got allomancers that can control emotions through burning some of the metals and you know what are you going to do, like, when you're facing that allomancer and they're trying to like crush your emotions, you've got to crush, you've got to like, maintain, you know, hold of your emotions while you're still using your metals to to beat them in this fight. It's, it's layered, uh, it can be cinematic, I mean, it's, it's damn near perfect for anime, dude I, it's, it's damn near perfect I think the resource management is like a really good twist to that actually.

Speaker 1: 26:49

Yeah I think honestly, reading it in the novels, You're like, oh my God, what is she going to do? You know what is she going to do next? Like she's out of steel or like you know she's out of 10 gold. I think gold gives them a little bit of farsight, like a few seconds into the future. I think it's oh, that's the.

Speaker 1: 27:07

Yeah, oh, that's the yeah, this is one of the one of the precious metals gives you a little, a few seconds into the future, and that's great for battle, right, like. So imagine like you're burning a mix of like steel so you can fly, you get a little bit of gold in there and, uh, you're burning something like iron, for you know the push pull effect so you can fight and throw stuff. But like what happens when you run out of gold and all of a sudden you're not predicting their movements three seconds ahead anymore, like I don't know, dude.

Speaker 2: 27:33

I can picture it and.

Speaker 3: 27:34

I want to see it on screen. Now, I don't want it to be a show or movie, I want it to be an anime.

Speaker 1: 27:40

Right? No, I think we. I'm going to start a position, a petition yeah, alongside of liver, die by CGI. Live or Die by CGI. I think that that is going to be the next thing I'm going to start is to make? To make Mistborn an anime.

Speaker 1: 27:53

I'm in it, dude, I'll sign it right now, and I know you love character creation because you do it often enough for your own, for your own works, so, like, I give you a few examples of what some of these characters could look like. So I already mentioned. Then you know, she's the female main character, this tiny little girl, right, teenager, but young, tiny, small, um, you know, just think about her. Like hooded cloak, she's super fast, she's super deadly, I don't know. Just, she kind of gives off the uh, yoroichi from bleach vibe for me, okay, like, yeah, like agile type stuff, right, yeah, yeah. And then you've got kelsey, the main male character, male, main male, I apologize, I don't know what I'm saying. The main male character, um, but he's got that charismatic rogue energy, right, like, he's got that shitting and grin.

Speaker 1: 28:49

You're like just the, that big grin you're like I have no idea what's about to happen. Why is this dude smiling right now? And he's you know the battle scarred because kelsey has been through some shit and that look is just iconic. I mean, I think one of the one of the anime that pulls it off the best is uh, bon, you know, from seven deadly sins. Oh yeah, the hair color would be different, but like just that, that grin, you know that, just that grin the the way he acts as a rogue like he's a shit starter.

Speaker 1: 29:19

Yeah, right, yeah and that's calcier, that's calcier. And then you know you've got I. I did say I would mention the steel inquisitors later and this would be that part, so let me tell you about this little bit of nightmare fuel. You got these. You got these steel inquisitors right and they've got their own brand of magic. They have a separate magic to allomancy and it's like heme allergy. It's called heme allergy. Which blood stuff?

Speaker 1: 29:48

yeah, it's blood stuff but here's where it gets terrible, right, terrible, and why it looks terrible, why it would look terrifying as an anime. So what the steel inquisitors do, man, is they have to kill you. They have to kill you with a metal spike and then, once they've killed you with that metal spike, they can implant that metal spike into their own body and then they can steal that power. Oh, that is metal, as fuck bro.

Speaker 1: 30:16

Yeah, how terrifying is that dude so that is tall you've got this tall, muscular, you know, steeled up giant dude with metal spikes through his eyes and they just kill you. Try to right and they've all got different powers. They've got. They've all killed different people depending on who they killed, you know, depending on who they killed? Um, because not everybody has the same power. It's not like everybody's born to be able to burn all metals. Some people can only burn ten. You know, some people can only burn gold.

Speaker 1: 30:48

Some people can only burn steel, which means, if you can only burn steel, which means if you can only burn steel, the only thing that you can do is super is you can fly, but you're not, you know you're not doing anything else. That's super crazy, yeah. So yeah, straight nightmare fuel. I think the character creation would be dope. There are a few studios out there that could tackle that, but I mean, like it's, it would be dope yeah, dude that.

Speaker 3: 31:13

Uh, you need a heavy metal soundtrack.

Speaker 1: 31:16

Heck, yeah, dude yeah, so also kind of the pacing right for the pacing for the series. Um, I think this would be perfect as a one season shot for the one book, like Mistborn one season, one book. And like the way you can break this down right is you go like episodes one through three You're introducing Vin, you're introducing Kelsier and you know the magic system. Maybe a tiny little bit of the plot, maybe a little bit of the crew, you know, but it's just introducing people and showing how magic works. Maybe a little bit of the crew you know, but it's just introducing people and showing how magic works.

Speaker 1: 31:52

Episodes four through eight you get your training arc because Kelsier has got to train Vin. He needs to teach her how to be a Mistborn, which is a Mistborn is someone that can use all metals. I know I said that not everybody can use all metals, but there is a select few that are born and they're called Mistborn and they can. They can burn all metals and kelseer is one and vin is one also, but vin didn't know she was one, so kelseer has to train her so you've got the training arc, then you've got the infiltration, part of this, you know what I mean and you throw in some more world, world building.

Speaker 1: 32:25

That's episodes four through eight. Then when you dive into like episodes nine through twelve, the heist starts right. So you've got a heist arc. This is where the tensions start to rise. This is where everything starts to get a little bit funky. You're like, holy shit, what's happening next episode? And then I know it's not traditional, but you push this out to like 16 episodes, episode, episode. Episodes 13 through 16, all hell breaks loose. That's it. You can like, you can run to the end of the book with those last four episodes and just go wild. Yeah, and it's perfect for a single season. Adaption, adaptation, you know it's. You don't need to worry about having multiple, multiple seasons, are you? You know, is the studio going to be able to do it? Are going to. Is it going to be a four-year wait in between seasons, like?

Speaker 3: 33:14

yeah, forget that, just do it, just do a one shot.

Speaker 1: 33:17

You know, just do a one shot run. Give it the conclusion if you decide to do. You know the rest of the books in the series. That's great, but miss born works as a fantasy standalone novel. It would work as a standalone anime it would need cliffhanger, cliffhanger, cliffhanger yeah, yeah you could actually do it.

Speaker 3: 33:35

Yeah, dang man, I think you sold this man for sure I mean, yeah, let's push this to everybody, right I mean, hey, if, if mon one stuff will become an anime, why can't now? You know, light novels are already, why not regular?

Speaker 1: 33:49

now, let's go, let's do it so final thoughts right, you got a killer magic system. You got a, a world rich with super deep lore. You got a lovable, chaotic crew of misfits. Um, you get your villain who is final boss material. You've got plot, plot for days and, most importantly, anime can hit all of those things and do it the justice that it deserves, rather than watching this fall flat on the big screen and you know, with anime soundtracks, man, those things just turn the heat to 20 on that.

Speaker 1: 34:28

I didn't even touch the soundtrack, because I feel like if you got all the other things right, the soundtrack could be crap. And it's still going to be amazing, but you know it would be good, you know what I mean. Like yeah, some of these soundtracks are just epic yeah it would kill it.

Speaker 1: 34:43

So I do have kind of one audience call out for anybody that's listening Let us know who you think would be the best anime studio to adapt this. Um, also, if you've read miss born, what is the one scene you would most want to see animated? Please let us know. I will I you know, I would love to talk miss born with anybody dude, I'm about to read this book.

Speaker 3: 35:04

You got me so hyped on it. It might be my first novel in a while it's actually not that big either.

Speaker 1: 35:10

It it's one of his smaller novels.

Speaker 3: 35:12

That's good. That makes me want to read it even more. Absolutely Dude killer Love it.

Speaker 1: 35:19

I think it would be fantastic. All right, let's jump into our second one of the evening, which is min-maxing my TRPG build. And yeah, I picked this one too. But and I already know what you're going to say, man, I know what you're thinking yes, it's another isekai, but hold up. But hold up. It's not the standard power fantasy, right? It's not OP protagonist harems for days. That's not your. That's not the standard power fantasy, right? It's not OP protagonist harems for days. That's not this story, right? This story. Min-maxing my TRPG build.

Speaker 1: 36:00

They actually put some thought into the game mechanics behind the world. You know the behind the scenes stuff and by itself that makes it stand out. So you've got Eric, and I don't remember what his japanese name was, but eric, that's okay. Yeah, you know, it follows this guy, eric. He died young uh, I think it was cancer and he gets reincarnated into this fantasy world by a buddha. You know, so far that's standard isekai seven, right? Yeah, standard stuff. Here's where it does get interesting, right. So, like eric doesn't spend his entire, you know, throughout the novels, eric doesn't spend his entire life, the entire time. He's around anybody. He doesn't spend all that time trying to introduce soy sauce to medieval fantasy people and you know he's not that guy like in my world we have this thing called the smartphone, and yes, I'm making fun of that other show.

Speaker 1: 36:55

Yeah, um, it's not that. It's not that at all. He leans into you know the world's mechanics, like a dude that spent way too much time optimizing his character sheet in dnd and that's mentioned because in his real life, before you know, while he was in college, before the cancer and everything, that's what him and his buddies did. They'd get together and they'd play D&D every week and like he had bad roles, like he was a notoriously bad dice roller, so what he?

Speaker 1: 37:22

wants to do in this life is is like maximize his potential. So he's going to min max his stats, right, because? He doesn't want to get wrecked by a bad dice roll and I mean, like man died of cancer, like what kind of worst, what? What kind of worst dice?

Speaker 3: 37:37

roll, can you? I don't blame this dude man. Yeah, he's like not again. This is not happening one more time, right yeah, and it's yeah, exactly so it's.

Speaker 1: 37:45

It's also not like I'm op from day one. Right, those stories have their place, they can be good. But eric actually struggles. He gets his ass handed to him um, in several fights, you know, and during training he gets his butt kicked and he has to tactically think his way out of fights. Everything's not a brute force. I'm just gonna put some magic in this and do it, or I'm the best swordsman to ever walk. That walk this earth because I was born this way. You know sounds like rudy a little bit, doesn't he? It does, and there are the parallels there, but the story is told differently enough and he isn't. His personality is nothing like rudy. So it does. It does set it off differently.

Speaker 3: 38:26

So well as in like he's not overpowered to the point of like he's just conquering everybody.

Speaker 1: 38:31

Yeah right yeah, no, but there are other similarities, like the character actually is drawn, that he does look a little bit similar to rudy and there are. He doesn't have a harem, but there are other similarities with the way he interacts with women.

Speaker 1: 38:45

I just it's kind of funny okay, the comedy yeah yeah, um, and you know we'll talk about the magic system again. I know we just talked about this with miss born, but well, it's the cry, it's the backbone, right, yeah, right. So for anybody that's still with us, if you were just listening to the previous segment, you know I love a well-defined magic system. Um, min maxing my trpg build. They don't go full, sanderson, it's not the strictest rules, but the mechanics exist, they're consistent and they're not just ignored to like, uh, cover a plot hole, right, okay, gotcha. So what I mean by that is like there's no, there's no random power-ups out of anywhere. You know, like it did. He doesn't just wake up and he's got a random power-up. If eric figures something out, it's because he studied, he experimented and he applied his knowledge. Right, he pulls a few concepts from the old world to adjust some things, but it's not completely. Oh yeah, fire can be hotter than just red fire, you know it's not yeah, like yeah yeah that's pretty cool man.

Speaker 3: 40:06

I like that he can experiment a little bit and, like you know, figure it out. That's always a cool concept, but you're bringing, like you know, otherworldly knowledge or whatever over, yeah, in a cool way so I mean it also hits on something I personally personally love.

Speaker 1: 40:22

Like your sword wielding magic user. He's not full mage, he's not full warrior, like he pulls kind of the best of both, and to me that's always just a badass dynamic. Um, black summoner did it well in the novels. The anime was a little bit off, but for me the anime was a little bit off. But black summoner did it well in the novels. Um rudy in jobless reincarnation. He's not as good a a sword wielder as eric is, but he's still decent, right, so he can blend the two fighting styles. I don't know, I just I love it, dude, I love that. I don't know if I want to call it a trope, but I love that.

Speaker 1: 40:58

Um, you got your your dual wielder and it's just something that I always like so one of my biggest gripes with the you know, fantasy settings when people do these things, is that everybody does the races the same way, right, elves? You know, they're kind of always just these elegant, super pretty, beautiful or really just handsome dudes of gals and they're always like oh, we don't care about humans, and they're always perfect. Right, they're always perfect we're immortal fuck off.

Speaker 1: 41:30

Yeah, and the vampires, vampire, vampires are always just like broody, mysterious bloodsuckers that just you know that we. The vampire trope is so normal that every like you picture an anime vampire and it's the same vampire in every series. Yeah, exception would be like Helsing he. He does it different.

Speaker 3: 41:50

Yeah, cause he loves he's a. He's an actual monster, that's right. Yeah, that's the best part about that, yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:56

So this story actually gives fantasy races personality Right, and what do I mean by that? So like the elves, the main elf character? Um, so, like the elves, the main elf character. She's featured in quite a few of the novels. She's lazy as fuck, dude, Like actively procrastinating instead of just being like this nature loving perfectionist. She's like how do I structure my life so that I can be as lazy as possible?

Speaker 3: 42:22

I mean, hey, you're immortal or you live thousands of years. Why not yeah?

Speaker 1: 42:26

And so they've also got like arachnids. The arachnids, you know, they're not just these big scary spiders people, they, you know, they have their own quirks, they have their own jobs that they do in this world. They hit, you know, they're good at certain things, so they do those jobs. And vampires, you know, like we've seen it a thousand times, you get the edgy goth aristocrat with a blood addiction, but it's not that right. They've got. They've got politicians, but they've also got priestesses.

Speaker 1: 42:53

Some of them are royals, some of them are not, and they all follow this moon goddess, which I mean duh. You can't break every single vampire trope, but they all follow this moon goddess. And one of the things I love, and it's it's actually in a later one I I don't remember what novel number. Right now there is an actual argument between a vampire and the current king of the empire, and the vampire doesn't want to take over the empire he's like you don't see right, he's just like yeah no, I don't want it, leave me alone, just just no, I did it for long enough, I don't want to do it again.

Speaker 1: 43:28

It's refreshing, yeah, it's cool, yeah, so it just it just brings it to life for me, because they they flip some of the you know the common tropes that we all see and we're all used to, and it makes for some really good character interactions. The last thing and I I feel like you are gonna love this part um, we all know that anime studios love filler episodes. We also all know that anime fans hate filler episodes with a passion. But this story min maxing my trpg build, they literally have it. It's built in for alternate reality episodes that are that are canon next to canon, and and I'll explain why that's crazy.

Speaker 1: 44:16

Okay, so I'll explain it. Eric, just imagine an episode where you know eric makes a different choice other than being an adventurer, or maybe he goes full mage instead of blending, you know blending the two and you get to see that play out. And you could play that out in a filler episode where he's got a different life and he makes different choices and he does different things and the best part about this fans can't say shit because the author writes it into the end of every novel. There's an entire chapter dedicated to a side story of what if eric had made a different choice.

Speaker 1: 44:49

That's really interesting, man, I'm on like episode I mean episode, I'm on, like novel number, like eight or nine, and there is a chapter at the end of every novel that is a completely different life than what eric had been planning on doing and it's based on the choices that he made in that book.

Speaker 3: 45:07

That's so interesting and like very original man, that's cool yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:12

So you've got a built in vehicle for filler episodes and I wouldn't, even be mad Right.

Speaker 3: 45:17

It'd be fun. How am I?

Speaker 1: 45:18

going to get mad at that.

Speaker 3: 45:19

Yeah, it's fun. Like, yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 1: 45:21

I like that. So all of those reasons, you know, you get your filler episodes that actually matter. You've got a setting that would look freaking fantastic in anime form, a little bit of log horizon, a little bit of jobless reincarnation, just kind of blend of both, I think for me. And you know, you've got fantasy races that have personality. I think all those things together this would be an amazing anime and I would like to see it happen.

Speaker 3: 45:52

They've got plenty of material and I just think this could really work. Yeah, dude, I think this would be really fun. It's a light novel, right, I'm assuming.

Speaker 1: 45:58

Yeah yeah, this one's a light novel series. I tried to pick, like like epic fantasy and then a light novel series.

Speaker 3: 46:06

Well, I mean, the light novel has more of a chance to be animated probably absolutely.

Speaker 2: 46:08

We might see it one day.

Speaker 1: 46:10

Mistborn is a wild shot in the dark but I figured I I should voice that because I mean I want to see it no, I think it'd be good and this one sounds fun.

Speaker 3: 46:20

I like the uh, the different, I like the sword part. I think that would be really cool, actually that he's both. And then I think the uh, the what if stuff is like really cool, man, that's, that's awesome, that's a dude, this is. This is fantastic, buddy, you sold me both.

Speaker 1: 46:37

You're gonna watch them both when they come out right? Uh, you know I will be there day one, but more importantly, you should at least read missborn I will.

Speaker 3: 46:44

You've sold me. I'm going to read it. Man, next time I pick up a book, it's going to be and you're going to end up igniting this whole thing in me where I want to start reading more, which is probably good. Stop scrolling online, come on.

Speaker 1: 46:57

Just read for 20 minutes a night.

Speaker 3: 46:59

Every night, just read for 20 minutes. I'm going to ask you I'll answer this too, but you're going to go first because you're the bigger reader what's your favorite book, man?

Speaker 1: 47:11

I mean, you've read probably so many, probably the Eye of the World by Robert Jordan. It is the first book in the Wheel of Time series. Okay, and every fall, every fall, I reread the Eye of the World. I don't necessarily reread the entire series, but every fall, starting in about late October, november.

Speaker 1: 47:34

I reread the Eye of the World. It just he turned. Like you know, you got Tolkien who put out Lord of the Rings, and then that was the style for a long time. Everybody mimicked Tolkien, right. And then Robert Jordan puts out the Eye of the World and I think 1990 or 1991. And all of a sudden he changed the game and fantasy turned on its head and everybody started to try to treat things differently, the way robert jordan did, and that just became this amazing thing. Um, and obviously he, you know he built an empire off of it. The wheel of time series is 14 books, but yeah, well, he should at that point.

Speaker 3: 48:22

Yeah, that's amazing. I mean that's amazing. I mean that's what about you man? For me so it wouldn't be fantasy.

Speaker 3: 48:29

I don't like what you would think it would be because of our podcast, but my really first book that drew me into the world and just shook it up would be the Stand by Stephen King. Dude, the brutality in the book of the end of the world, a virus, and then there's all these biblical themes and I mean it's not really spoiler, the book's been out forever and then they literally kill the main character and you're like, wait, what? What are you talking about? He was the main dude and then the rest of the characters have to continue the mission and try to, you know, defeat the antichrist or whatever it was. I still think to this day it stands as one of my top ones and I've, you know, wrote, used to read a ton of stephen king stuff, uh, but that one was very like, it's very iconic.

Speaker 3: 49:19

I think it's definitely one of his best. And then one of my other ones I I, the original first gunslinger book was really cool because that kind of brought you into this dystopian, future, destroyed world. And there's a gunslinger and he's chasing the man in black and it's like what the hell is going on here and that's a whole series of books and all that, but the stand was, it struck me because of the, the brutality and horror, apocalyptic version of the end of the world that happened, and then the people that are left over and then just killing the main character off and you're just like what never would have saw that coming. So it sticks with me for sure I'm picking up a theme here.

Speaker 1: 50:01

Man right, berserk is your favorite manga because of the darkness and the ultimate brutality, and then the stand is your favorite novel because of the darkness and the ultimate brutality. Well, but you don't write that, you don't really.

Speaker 3: 50:18

I mean, you do write some dark stuff, but you don't write the like ultimate darkness stuff your stories have light at the end of the tunnel well, that's the thing, right, and these ones do too. Um, and they deal with real big, heavy biblical type themes, which a lot of my stuff have biblical themes in them, which is I love that. But yeah, I don't want to go to the. I think there's a place you got to go in your mind to write that level of darkness and I don't really want to invite that in, as dramatic as that sounds. But I just don't think I want to play in that pool of that. I can touch it a little bit with certain scenes right here and there, but I don't want to go full on.

Speaker 3: 50:56

Like you know, as we've said before, what the fuck is wrong with this guy in his mind, some of the stuff that comes out. I don't want to go there, man, you know I'm not, I don't want to be there, but I do respect that these stories can ignite this like visual in your mind of. Like you know, I remember in the stand like the blood's coming out of the eye, like everyone's just dying of this virus and shit, you know, and it was just scary, like what the fuck would happen, you know, if that happened, type stuff. Yeah, if you never read it, it's a really good. Um, it's probably his, in my opinion, his best book, but it was just very. It's huge. It's a big old book, but it you get pulled into that world, man, you really get pulled in and you're you like I have to see it. And then the twist with the character you're like you're just shocked. You never see it coming, man, it's pretty pretty dope.

Speaker 1: 51:50

I'll have to check it out, man, because um for stephen king, you know I read pet cemetery oh yeah and then I just kind of put stephen king away. Um, it's not that I don't appreciate it. It's right Appreciate his writing, Like I also have his on writing book. You know that he wrote.

Speaker 3: 52:10

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:11

But and that's fantastic I love the way Stephen King writes. It's just that's not usually my bent. I don't really go for the, the horror or real life stuff. But it's not that it's bad, I just it bad. I just it's not usually my go-to. Now you know, if somebody really recommends a book, I'll check it out and read it.

Speaker 3: 52:31

So I'll have to do that with the stand. Well, I just I just remember reading it and it was just like just so drawn into it. I guess I don't know, maybe it's just one of my first ones, that's why, but it was, it was a. It's a great book. I mean the series it was cool. They've done a show a couple times of it and stuff which were always they were all right, but with the horror and that that kind of stuff you kind of. You know, a lot of his stuff gets adapted in a really shitty way, so it just puts kind of a bad and he's, unfortunately, personally he's kind of a crazy online, so I'm not really a fan of him as a person really, but I can respect the shit out of his writing, you know right, so did, isn't there, okay, you?

Speaker 1: 53:09

you said his, uh, his works get abused in movies um they just do?

Speaker 3: 53:14

he just took the money, man, and didn't have no for sure, but I mean I thought so god, what is the name of that?

Speaker 1: 53:21

is it like the dark tower or the watchtower or something? It's that movie with idris elba yeah, it's based off the gunslinger yeah, okay, I thought that was. Somebody said that was done well, and you know, again, I know nothing about the book, like I'm not, according to the books.

Speaker 3: 53:36

I mean, if you didn't know shit about it it would be interesting. But if you know the the story, then you're like what the fuck? Also, all his books, or most of them, have a little thread that leads to the dark tower series, which is super fucking cool. When there's like 30 different books, I mean even it is tied to it in a way, they're all tied together. So it's like this multiversal, like epic story. Not that you have to read them all to know it, but if you do look for that, it's they're all got a little string, that kind of tie back, which that's cool. Man, I respect the shit out of that, you know yeah, I'll check it out.

Speaker 1: 54:15

I'll check it out. Well, I think we are probably over time for this week. I mean not that podcasts are really timed, but you know what I mean. We we try to budget a little bit of time. I think we blew that out of the water tonight.

Speaker 2: 54:31

That's okay, that's my bad.

Speaker 1: 54:32

I talked for a lot.

Speaker 3: 54:33

Well, you were selling me on reading again, which I sold you on writing, so I guess it's fair that you're getting me back into reading again, right?

Speaker 1: 54:40

So what topic are we going to cover next week? Jordan.

Speaker 3: 54:49

So what we're?

Speaker 1: 54:49

going to do next time is underrated anime gems.

Speaker 3: 54:50

So this is going to be a pretty, a pretty good one, because we need to find the new stuff, you know, these ones that you overlook, for sure, I definitely can think of a few off the top of my head.

Speaker 1: 54:58

I'll be saving those to talk about next week absolutely, man.

Speaker 3: 55:02

Well, this is a good time today. You got me back into reading, I think.

Speaker 1: 55:06

Hell yeah, man that's the way it should be. It gives you ideas. True, absolutely. All right. You want to call it for the night? Yes, sir, all right, peace out Later. Thanks for jumping into the realm with us today. Be sure to follow Realm Jumpers wherever you get your podcasts, and don't forget to share your thoughts, theories and favorite moments with us.

Speaker 2: 55:27

Stay epic and keep exploring the worlds you love. Leave us a review on your podcast platform and if you're stuck on what to say, let us know what your favorite anime is. See you in the next round, thank you.