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Welcome to Realm Jumpers. I'm Andrew and this is my co-host, jordan.

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Hey everyone. We're here to dive into the worlds of fantasy and anime, bringing you epic stories and unforgettable adventures.

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We'll be talking world building, unforgettable villains and everything that makes these genres legendary.

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So let's jump into the realm. Welcome back to Realm Jumpers. From overpowered heroes to magical reincarnations. Isekai Anime has taken over our watchlist and the anime world. But what makes this genre so popular and why can't we get enough of it? Today we're diving into the rise and reign of it. But first let's check out what's new in the anime realm with this week's Realm Rumors. What do you got for me, brother? What's up, jordan? How you been good, buddy, just working my butt off yeah.

Speaker 1: 0:50

So honestly, I thought you would want to broach this topic just because it's in your territory of shows that you love, but you know, tonight it's been a fairly slow news week, but I thought this article was actually more hilarious than anything else. So the Dragon Ball Z editor blames live action, dragon Ball movie, dragon Ball Evolution. We all know we all hate stunning movie, bro.

Speaker 2: 1:15

What do you mean? Academy Award? What are you talking about? That kid was great as Goku.

Speaker 1: 1:19

I'll come back to that. Anyways, the DBZ editor. They blame the failure on japan's trust in hollywood. Yeah, which big mistake. That's a terrible idea. Don't do that terrible, terrible idea brings us back to the point you remember a few weeks ago we mentioned it was kind of a click baby article title, but it was basically, you know they had a crunchy roll was saying, uh, anime needs to remain inherently japanese. I do remember that. He's kind of right.

Speaker 2: 1:52

He's kind of right, yeah I mean I know they're trying. I mean they've kind of been slowly adapting live action netflix ones. I think there's a bleach movie which actually wasn't there is a bleach movie um, one piece, you know.

Speaker 2: 2:03

Obviously there's a series which I guess is pretty successful. I haven't watched it, full metal, but yep, full, yep, full metal. And honestly the best anime to live action I've ever seen was the uh roni kenshin series of movies. But then again it lends it right like a wandering samurai. Pretty easy to do um, but dope, um. And those were all, I'm pretty sure, made, released. I know the kenshin one. I'm pretty sure it came from japan over, not not this way, although I think one piece is being made here. Right, it's a, it's a western studio, I believe.

Speaker 1: 2:36

I don't know bro, I should know this, but I don't yeah I think it is. I don't care, care, it's good.

Speaker 2: 2:42

Yeah, yeah, I haven't Again, I don't know, but on the funny news about Dragon Ball and all that evolution. So apparently the newest Snow White movie came out this week. The Disney movie and Dragon Ball Evolution is rated better than this Shut up dude, than the Snow White movie. Yeah, oh no, there is an amazing meme floating around on twitter and online right now where it's from one of the old school dragon ball z movies with broly in it and he's like he has goku like by the throat, but the face on broly was the kid from evolution and the one getting choked out is snow white. And it has the ratings. It's like 2.9 and 2.3 stars and apparently it's rated better than snow white, which is, I'm sorry, objectively hilarious.

Speaker 1: 3:31

That's the funniest thing ever that's pretty wild, yeah um a couple of call outs in this article, though, that I thought were interesting.

Speaker 1: 3:39

so, you know, 2009, um, he dives into it and he says that you know they didn't have the faith or they didn't want to invest the 50 million dollars US that it was going to cost to get you know the rights to the final cut, so that way, they'd be able to say, yeah, you're now whether this is a go. But another thing that I found interesting in here is the actor when, when Homie died from you know the original creator.

Speaker 2: 4:10

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When he died, the actor Justin, something it's in the article, but this Justin dude, when he, when, when the guy died, he apologized. Oh damn, he felt so bad.

Speaker 2: 4:23

Yeah, yeah I mean the movie's trash, it's just so damn. He felt so bad. Yeah, I mean the movie's trash, it's just so. I've only ever watched it once and I was, I was, I hated it then. I can't imagine now as an older dude trying to watch it. I probably would be like furious.

Speaker 1: 4:36

I mean, that's the thing man Like in 2009,. I remember watching it on TV or HBO or whatever it came out on Right, who it on tv or hbo or whatever it came out on right, who knows, but I remembered. I remember watching that and that turned me off of live action.

Speaker 1: 4:50

anything until forever, until one piece yeah alchemist could have been good, death note could have been good. I bleach could have been good. I have no freaking clue. I was like, yeah, I'm not touching that trash. I mean it's probably the greatest things ever made. But I was like, yeah, no, dragon ball z was terrible. I'm never watching that stuff.

Speaker 2: 5:07

It's the same for video game to movies with mario in the 90s, like there ain't no way, I mean now we're getting cool shut up.

Speaker 1: 5:13

Dude mario in the 90s masterpiece. That was a masterpiece of story I need to.

Speaker 2: 5:18

I need to re-watch this movie and I know they had to be high as anything when they made that movie. I haven't seen it lately, but I should rewatch it, just for the, you know, for gig.

Speaker 1: 5:27

Nah, it was terrible, but I still liked it.

Speaker 2: 5:32

Well, hey, at least now we're getting great adapted. You know well, sometimes a great adapted Every now and then you get a like Last of Us is pretty great as the show I mean.

Speaker 1: 5:40

Yeah, I mean mostly great, right, yeah, yeah, I mean mostly great, right, yeah, that's the thing, though everything's getting a live, live action adaption. Now, you know you got like wheel of time, um, which you know there are differences between the books and the tv show. There's no way you're ever going to be able to tell a 14 novel series that where each book is encroaching on you know, approaching a thousand pages, you're never going to be able to tell that in one season of television. So I don't, everybody kind of needs to give the show a little bit of slack, because while they have some made questionable, some questionable choices have been made, for the most part they kind of have to just adapt the thing on the run right like there's no way to adapt. Let's see the eye of the world, season one. You know there's no way to adapt 800 pages into one hours of television.

Speaker 2: 6:27

Yeah, yeah yes, but it's a hard job.

Speaker 1: 6:29

I mean, I guess you're pulling it off, though right, it's got it's in pretty good ratings, I think so I haven't started season three yet, but apparently a lot of people are saying season three is actually like oh no, this is okay, they're doing it right now. So I'm gonna have to go watch it and find out.

Speaker 2: 6:44

That's the current season, right? Yeah, so I am watching and I didn't read the book, so I have a different opinion than people who read the books on it.

Speaker 1: 6:51

I. This season seems to be the best so far. Good. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm hearing from people that have also read the books. They're like yeah, season three is. I mean. It's not perfect, but it's.

Speaker 2: 7:01

It's definitely bringing it back towards what it should be okay, good, well, hey, if it's successful, it just means more and more chances will be taken on other series right, exactly, maybe good old miss born will be there at some point speaking of this born.

Speaker 1: 7:15

How are you enjoying that, dude?

Speaker 2: 7:18

this book is. It's gonna end up igniting a whole thing of me reading a ton of books again which I haven't done in such a long time as it should our episode about that.

Speaker 2: 7:27

Um, that book and a hundred percent, the way that they use magic and the system of magic in this is like super unique. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it. So I think you're right, in animation would probably be the best way to do it, to really show the flair of how it works. Dude, solid series man, I'm, I'm loving this book, dude. I I'm like I don't think I'm halfway through it yet, but I just I can't stop reading it.

Speaker 1: 7:50

So it's really good, it's so good, dude, and yeah, you're welcome. Man kelsey kelser, badass.

Speaker 2: 7:56

You got like another six books to go now yeah, well, that's fine, I'm gonna read them, because this, this is uh, it's fun, for sure all right, shall we dive into the main topic? Yeah, let's do it. I mean, I know we've talked about a little bit before of how many there are of these nowadays, but let's jump in, buddy, go ahead and start it off.

Speaker 1: 8:15

Yeah, man. So you know again we're talking about why does isekai dominate anime? And for you know, the people, for our listeners that don't know you know, isekai is basically another world, transported to another world, reincarnated in another world, stuck in a video game. Um, though, those could all be, those would all be considered isekai. So like brief, brief, brief history, because you know, just because right for um, for developmental reasons, you know, one of the earliest examples of isekai, for Japan goes back to the Muromachi period, with a story called Erashima Torah, where this guy helps a turtle and then gets to go visit this undersea land or undersea kingdom. And then gets to go visit this undersea land or undersea kingdom and he thinks he spends a few days there, but he gets back. You know, he gets back home, and it's been hundreds of years.

Speaker 1: 9:11

So like that story is probably the earliest, one of the earliest examples of Isekai, and that was sometime, you know they can't properly date the story, but sometime, between you you know, like 1350 and 1550.

Speaker 2: 9:26

so that's how long um isekai has been a thing and then you know, perspective, bro, like how crazy, because back then they didn't even know what are the. You know, they didn't know what most of the world looked like and they're already dreaming about other worlds. You know it's, it's just, it must be a benchmark of humanity, right? I mean, you're right, we dream what hell and heaven look like, and it's the same situation, another world in a way. So I think we're just obsessed with some kind of other reality at this point.

Speaker 1: 9:54

Yeah, exactly Another. Another fun fact, as far as you know, inspirational was like Alice in Wonderland actually plays a hand. You know an isekai influence that's been translated into japanese 450 times wow, so they?

Speaker 2: 10:08

they're a huge fan of that story. Makes me think of wizard of oz too.

Speaker 1: 10:12

Right, I mean transfer to another, yeah wizard of oz, and there's also apparently some. There's also apparently some truth to the whole. Uh, like kind of the lolita culture kind of got its start with a little bit of the alice in wonderland stuff I mean, it kind of makes sense right.

Speaker 2: 10:30

Yeah, it does track.

Speaker 1: 10:31

Yeah, that's, that's actually super interesting yeah, but you know, if we bring it to the modern era, you know, fast forward quite a ways, bring it to the modern era. You know there's uh, I think it was 1983. Um, there was something called aura battle or dunine, which I haven't seen it. I'm not claiming to have seen it, you know, it's just if you look up the history of Isekai 1983, that's kind of where it kicks back off into the modern era and it's a, you know, a modern guy gets transported to a medieval-like world. And then you've got Fushigi Yugi in 1992, which is a manga and anime series about a girl who enters a mystical book and finds herself in an ancient Chinese-inspired world. So then we take another little bit of a fast forward to 2002, and then you've got Sword Art Online and then just the whole series.

Speaker 2: 11:25

Wow 02, huh. So that's kind of the modern day kickoff of that type of story again, because I mean that modern day you know it ripped, that thing blew up. I mean it was huge. You know blending games, rpg elements, another world stuck in the game, you know all that kind of stuff really kicked off you know a whole what 20 plus years now that they've been making.

Speaker 1: 11:49

You know making them constantly right right, but that begs like the question like why is it so freaking popular? Why is it dominating? You know, we also talked about this in a realm rumor a few weeks ago. We talked about, about that article, the state of isaac I 2025, you know, and it had you know, and it had a bunch of different.

Speaker 1: 12:06

it had a bunch of different statistics and stuff and said you know, 15% of all anime that are being made now are Isekai, and you know they're not always S tier. They're not usually S tier, but nearly every Isekai is an A tier anime. So why are they all you know? Why are they all you know? Why are they all a tier anime? Why is it so popular?

Speaker 2: 12:27

I mean it's got to be the whole wish fulfillment slash, escapism, slash, power, fantasy angle, right where you know, and there's a whole joke about truck coon, right hits the guy and then he dies. It comes, you know, and now he goes from a loser into someone of importance and then I think it heavily taps on the whole. What do they call the shut-ins over there? Was it weebs? You know, like you're a weeb, you don't have friends, everyone's outcast. Neats, I think. Neats, yes, neats. So you're a loser and then you die. Usually you die and then you end up being reborn by a goddess or something. And you know, now you're in a fantasy world of magic and elves and pretty women, and they're always handsome in the fantasy world but not in the real world.

Speaker 1: 13:11

You know, right, it's straight up escapism and wish fulfillment, which nothing wrong with it, it's awesome 100 and if you look at the statistics, something like you know, I think it's what 91 of all anime are watched by men in the first place. I'd imagine that with isekai that that statistic shoots way up. So it goes from like 91 for all anime to dude. I would not be surprised if, if they, if crunchyroll like, produced some numbers and it was like isekai, you know viewers are 99 male, wouldn't surprise me it has to be, because I can't even think of a female led one, can you?

Speaker 1: 13:46

I mean, there are a few yeah, in the land of leodale.

Speaker 1: 13:50

So dude, check it out in the land of leodale and it's, I swear to god, it's probably one of the most wholesome things I've ever watched, which probably is why it only got one season. Yeah, probably, um, and you know we've mentioned this before. I will give any isekai a shot at at least for an episode or two, just to kind of check it out. But so you know the story in the land of Leodale. She like Sword Art Online. She gets stuck in a video game and it I think she was. I can't remember if she was dying or if she was just fully disabled.

Speaker 2: 14:19

OK.

Speaker 1: 14:20

Yeah, in real life. So her dad or her dad's company basically created the game specifically for her and then it just took off anyways. That's cool. You know it's typical stuff. But like, when she gets in there it's like dude, she's just trucking around like doing it, I don't know man, it felt weirdly wholesome. I was like none of this is really the typical Isakai stuff, which.

Speaker 2: 14:45

Well, there was a season of Sword Art remember there was a character who she? I believe she was crippled or dying or something, and she was in the game one of the seasons I can't remember which one now and she was like a top tier player and it was like this really sad realization that she's, you know, terminal or whatever it was, and it, you know If that's not power fantasy, I don't know what is right Like you're actually like dying or crippled or whatever. And then in the game you're running around it's most time it's VR or some kind of immersive world where they can feel like it's real, which hopefully will be there one day. I think we're on the way to getting that pretty soon, right? I don't know, maybe 10 years, who knows.

Speaker 2: 15:22

Yeah, but yeah, I can the thing.

Speaker 1: 15:26

You know, coming from somebody that does at least read or watch a lot of Isekai. Here's the thing. I don't really care about the harem trope part of it. That's never been my thing. I also don't really give a shit about the power fantasy part of it. You know we've talked about that as well. I like solo leveling and, yes, it is 100% just a power fantasy, but it was still good. Um, what I usually like in an isekai is 100, just straight for the escapism factor. Uh, like dude, the real world sucks, the news sucks like freaking, everything sucks. So you know, I want to read something that's. I want to read or watch something that has nothing to do with the real world, and I mean just the fantasy genre in general. Right, so, like mistborn, not set in the real world, wheel of time, not set in the real world. And I mean just the fantasy genre in general. Right, so, like mistborn, not set in the real world, wheel of time, not set in the real world this isn't a new concept.

Speaker 1: 16:14

Right, it's just done japanese style, anime style.

Speaker 2: 16:17

Right, like they just put a whole new spin on it and it's a fun part, right, and they throw these rpg elements like leveling. A lot of them have or quests or magic or like you know it's.

Speaker 1: 16:27

It's like they're blending, different genres, yeah, yeah yeah, for sure you, you put enough of elements that people are used to and it makes it a comfortable genre to watch. And you know that's 100 truth, at least for me, because a lot of times you know, like I might not even pay attention to an isekai but I might put it on for background noise while I'm doing something on the computer, just because it feels comfortable. It's nice to watch, like I, you can put a little bit of mind power in it to it, just to kind of pick up the early stuff and then just kind of like watch in the background or, you know, watch off to the side while stuff happens, and it's usually good enough for me. It's usually cool, right, which. So I agree with that rating.

Speaker 1: 17:05

You know that the that Japan gives them like 100. I would say most isekai only fall into a tier. You know status and I can't think of a single you know isekai that I would rate as s tier. And I know, you know the three zero. Everybody is gonna like starting life in another world, everybody's gonna crush me in the comments or something, but it's like I don't really care, I don't think it's s tier, like they didn't bring anything super aside from the animation, you talk about art zero.

Speaker 2: 17:32

You're talking about the zero one right when a kid dies over and over yeah, starting life in another world and he gets to reset his you know so his position or whatever the thing that I find really interesting about that one, which is it's kind of interesting, it's weird he's not overpowered at all, no, and he gets wrecked all the time and I think I really kind of like the trauma aspect of like dying that much and like trying all these different things to try to survive this day. That's like going to hell in a handbasket type situation. So I kind of like that one in the regards of he's not overpowered, he's got a really op ability, but it kind of isn't, because who the hell wants to get their heart ripped out, burst to pieces, like I mean he dies like brutally a lot.

Speaker 1: 18:19

Um, but I I could see what you mean about what you were saying in there, in that, in that whole thing, but I do like that that one's not the overpowered, overlord type fantasy thing it's like no, I mean I, this kid's just struggling, right, he's just struggling trying to get there, I know, but I mean, don't tell me that anime deserves anime of the year in any setting ever because I didn't say, I didn't know it won that did it win. That I know, I'm just saying like don't even make the argument oh, no, no I wouldn't say that.

Speaker 2: 18:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, not any of the year, but I think it's very interesting. But I mean, I'm caught up on the new season stuff. As you're reading it, that trope tends to get, you know, like the reset thing it's interesting, but some of it's like okay, okay, you know, I don't know, at a certain point you kind of want the guy to like can you like level up or get some kind of ability that you can actually like fight? But I think the point is he gets comrades who can do it for him. Sure, the new season is definitely a lot different as far as like that goes. But yeah, it's a, it's an interesting story, but I would never say anime of the year, absolutely not.

Speaker 1: 19:24

Yeah, no, no, no. I was just saying like you'll hear those arguments every once in a while, like oh, this is great Like even jobless reincarnation. Like no bro, the animation is beautiful, the story is meh Like. It just is what it is right Like yeah. And on top of that, the guy's a weirdo in the first place.

Speaker 2: 19:40

So yeah, I mean it kind of ruins it when, when there's stuff like that outside of the story, but even just the story itself, like it's nothing groundbreaking. Yeah, no, not really, you know, but I do enjoy the story, but it's nothing, that's not.

Speaker 1: 19:53

I think the animation carries some of it, the, the hype, you know what I mean which is fine if you're gonna get into that, then you might as well say like that's why that argument doesn't really carry water for me, because I mean, yeah, give it beautiful animation. I mean that's the whole point of the anime, right?

Speaker 2: 20:07

like yeah, sure make it beautiful.

Speaker 1: 20:09

Um. What does that show? Everybody dumped on it last year, two years ago, when it came out, I got a cheat skill in another world. Um, but he's like I didn't watch it he crosses back and forth, he can. He can come back to earth with his cheat skills. Um, here's the thing, dude like the story sucks, the story blows. Go look at animation. The animation is some of the most beautiful shit you have ever seen. Like it looks dope, it looks great.

Speaker 2: 20:33

Yeah, but that story's got to be on point, man. If it's not on point, it's not going to hook you. The story is okay.

Speaker 1: 20:38

But it, let's face it, that is a power fantasy, that is a harem power fantasy that really is made. If I, all right, I would have been more bought. I would have been more more bought in on the storyline of him being an abused child, um, and I would invest more if they had cut out some of the just the harem-y parts to it. You know what I mean. And like he doesn't officially set up a harem that I know of, I mean I guess it could happen, but it's just like you know. I don't need to see that every girl in the world has fallen for you, because that's that's one of the weirdest tropes.

Speaker 2: 21:15

Like it is a strange trope, but it tends to be in a lot of series, don't it For?

Speaker 1: 21:18

sure. But so they did harp on one thing where it's like the guy was as usual. You know he's a clueless MP that doesn't, or a clueless MC that can't pick up on the fact that a girl's into him. But here's the thing, the way they explained his backstory in that particular instance it was like, yeah, okay, makes sense, dude was abused, he was ugly, Ugly as fuck. I mean he was ugly and so like he had a hard time grasping.

Speaker 2: 21:47

You know like am I good looking, or am I just normal?

Speaker 1: 21:48

looking, you know he has no idea. Yeah, yeah. So that would have held more water with me if they would have left out some of the, the harami parts of that where it's just like bro, every girl, every freaking girl every girl.

Speaker 2: 22:00

It's like the eminence and shadow of what we were talking about, like they're all in love with him and he doesn't give a hell. He doesn't give a fuck about that. He's just like, yeah, I'm doing my own stuff, like he literally doesn't care which is funny.

Speaker 1: 22:12

But that's why that works for that show, right? That's why that works is because he doesn't give a flip like he's like I don't care.

Speaker 2: 22:18

He's like I'm trying to do all this fun stuff. Yeah, I mean, do you think it's just like light novels? There's so many of them and now they're adapting them into anime, like is that kind of flood? Is that why there's so many more of them being made? Obviously they're popular, yeah, but like what do you think?

Speaker 1: 22:33

I? I mean, I have to base it on me right I'm?

Speaker 2: 22:36

a reader.

Speaker 1: 22:37

So yeah, if you provide me with a book that is interesting, um, and then I read the story and then you tell me you're making an anime five years later, like of course I'm gonna check it out, know. So yeah, for me in particular, the fact that they started mass producing or mass translating, you know, light novels into English, like really makes me watch more of them, because I've read more of the stories than I have seen the animes.

Speaker 2: 23:04

So are they following them pretty faithfully, or you'd say no.

Speaker 1: 23:07

I mean, of course, I mean that runs like the whole, that runs like the whole gamut of you know everything, some of them not at all, some of them stay pretty faithful, some of them, like, are word for word. It's like wow, I mean again, I think it goes back to just what we were saying with you know, like the wheel of time thing, like when you have so many books and only one season of animated, yeah, some things are going to fall off or be dealt, be a little bit different. Like I'm not going to be too mad about that.

Speaker 2: 23:36

Um, yeah, I mean it's good though, because it's like we're saying earlier, the more that come out, the more than are popular, you know, and like we said in other episodes, anime is worldwide like way big time now, more than when we were growing up, so it's just the audience levels like off the charts, you know. So it's it, and kind of what we mentioned before, how, you know, the Japanese are able to blend these familiar concepts but change them to, you know, in interesting ways. And I love seeing, you know, I love seeing the worlds because some of them are just so interesting that they make you know it's awesome.

Speaker 1: 24:10

No, I agree, it's the, it's the blend. I think that's what makes everybody watch these things or read these things. Right, You're? You're just a blending so many familiar things and putting them together. You know you've got the, like, the heads up display. You've got the RGB, you've got the rpg mechanics. You've got, you know, the escapism factor for people that don't really like reading john grisham books, um, or anything about real world, you know. And then you've got you know, of course, like some of the, some people actually like want to watch the harem story and that's fine, like I've got no problem with.

Speaker 2: 24:47

So, yeah, you blend all these things together and you, I think obviously you've made a pretty solid recipe to keep keep banging out hits yeah, but I think there's a certain point where they're gonna have to do masterful jobs of it, because it there's so many coming out and they're gonna blend together. So how are you gonna stand out, right, you know?

Speaker 1: 25:05

we're, no, we're. We're well past the point where it feels, overdone like. I mean it's it's. It's overdone like it. That thing is well cooked. You've been in the sun too long, it's cooked. So you know everybody, you gotta start, you gotta bring it a little bit different now um, yeah, I agree it can't just be great art.

Speaker 1: 25:23

You know it has to be more than that yeah, it can't just be great art and girls and a new world. Um, there was one last year that I really enjoyed trying to the wrong way to heal or something like that oh, I, I remember I didn't watch it, but I see I've seen a little bit about it, yeah that's interesting. Yeah, what is the title of that show?

Speaker 2: 25:41

god it is I think the wrong way to heal. Actually it's something like that, because I remember, I remember seeing that I think you kind kind of hinted.

Speaker 2: 25:49

The real world is kind of shitty, but at the end of the day, harsh work culture in Japan right, that's got to be a huge piece of this puzzle right Of why they're so popular. I mean, we have a harsh work culture here too, but I know over there it's a big deal. Even what's the 100 hundred day zombie one that we were talking about before? You know like he rather would live in the in the zombie 100. He'd rather live in the zombie world where he can live his actual life and do what he wanted, than a regular world where he has to work at a corporate job. Yeah, that's not this, but it's interesting enough.

Speaker 1: 26:21

It's kind of fits that vein you know now, I agree, but it's you've got to start telling different stories now, which which is why I appreciated that last year. You know, when you get the, you know what is it, whatever it's called, the wrong way to heal people or whatever the frick it is. You know there's a fresh take like yeah it's, he's a guy, he gets transported to another world with a couple of his classmates but then, like you know, he's a healer which is sort of valuable but not all like it's. Yeah, I don't know, it's one of those weird things. Like he um, it was definitely valuable and the, the healer that, like the main healer person in the kingdom, she like snatches him up, she's like you're gonna be my training partner or whatever, and then she just beats the ever-living crap out of this for months and she literally makes him the strongest dude in the world because, uh, you know he can heal himself, so he just it's the most cool.

Speaker 2: 27:12

That's interesting.

Speaker 1: 27:13

The most goofy ass shit I have ever seen, but it was like you brought a slightly fresh take to it. Now it doesn't feel the same.

Speaker 2: 27:21

Now it's interesting. Yeah, now it's interesting, right?

Speaker 1: 27:24

So I think that's what they have to do. You got to keep finding interesting stuff to do to that, otherwise I mean, what do you think about the formula here?

Speaker 2: 27:31

You know the MC dies reborn has cheat skills. Do you think like the stakes of these stories? Is there a way for them to make the stakes a little, a little more, or is it just part of the genre? Deal with it. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Speaker 1: 27:44

Well, that's the thing. Do they really need to?

Speaker 1: 27:47

I mean, really yeah people are going to watch them. Yes, it's overdone. Um, should they change the stakes? I don't know, like would it mess up the formula to the point where, like you can't save it? I would imagine that part of why the story is popular is because it's, or why it's, easily made into anime is because it's just easy to write right. So if we start changing up the formula too much, um, like they're just gonna, I don't know what would happen. Yeah, I'm not sure. Maybe would it be good for it.

Speaker 2: 28:13

I, I don't know I mean there isn't that kind of what the whole reverse one is right, it kind of flips it on its head in a way but that's, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 28:21

You have to bring the fresh take to it right, the wrong way to heal people, bring them to another, like, bring them back to earth. You know, um, because I saw one last year too. It was like I got summoned to another world again and I was like, oh, that was almost interesting, but you lost me at episode three.

Speaker 2: 28:37

So you completely failed, but you did get me for three episodes well, that's better than none, I guess, but still come on, I get it. There's a, there's a mono. I read and I I think it's called hero reborn. I'm not 100 and it's actually interesting because the story is set in modern, in our time, and what it was is that a hero returned from his mission, another, another world super powered dude, loses it and just starts just killing everyone he can like, literally goes off the deep end and trying to pretty much wars against the entire world. So like as that story goes on, another guy's family got killed by this hero and then before he died, he got transported to a different world. He leveled up like defeat. The demon king came back and his whole purpose was I'm gonna kill this fucking guy and it's like interesting because it's like a whole different thing.

Speaker 2: 29:32

And then, as it goes on, there's like other heroes too that have returned here, and some of them are in hiding and some of them the government took, and like there's always the other thing. So it's like ends up being like these a group of heroes that return that were bad and then a group of heroes that turn out are good and they're all kind of fighting. It's interesting. It's like a whole different version of that, but it is different, yeah, you know I don't know, man um, did you watch?

Speaker 1: 29:56

there was one on netflix, I don't know, a couple years ago. It was like my uncle from another world or whatever that is oh, I haven't seen that one god, what is the title of that?

Speaker 1: 30:04

so, yeah, the uncle this kid's uncle gets like isekai'd when he's like 17 and he's um, but he doesn't really get isekai'd. He's in a coma, right. But oh interesting, yeah, his mind is gone, like his mind got isekai'd um. So he he wakes up at like 30 years old. So he's been over there for a while, right, maybe maybe it was even older than 30, I don't know. But, um, everybody in the family's kind of abandoned him, except, you know, his nephew, um, so he goes to live with the nephew and they're like trying to figure out ways to make money and the uncle can do magic now. So like, they start filming it and put it on youtube and they're doing stupid like lights yeah, it's great, that's awesome, but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 30:43

That's the kind of fresh take you got to bring right to make to make it interesting now, because it's it's like this is done, so be interesting with it, do do something cool, right and you know, like devil's, a part-timer is a great example of a unique thing, although I feel like it lost itself.

Speaker 2: 30:58

But the concept is a great concept. You know it's a cool concept. Or the other one, what is it? Dead bound, death play yeah, cool concept so definitely cool concept the story does lose a little bit in season two. Yeah, you're gonna have to like really bring in the story, but if you got a good concept you can really make it a yeah, you can make it stand out. It might be a little hard, but hey, it's all right, challenges are good.

Speaker 1: 31:20

Right, yeah, I don't know, man, I'm not going to probably stop watching. He's a guy like is going to check out a couple episodes of something. You know. That's how I ended up discovering that redo of healer is the absolute worst, because I was like this looks like it might be my thing. It was not, but you know, I'm always going to watch at least a few episodes and give it a shot. Some of them are great. You know, some of them are bangers like are they award-winning?

Speaker 2: 31:49

nah, but solid a tier right hey, eight years still pretty good, man. Yeah, I'd watch a tier all day. Yeah, absolutely so. What's your hot take about all this? Huh?

Speaker 1: 32:00

all right, does isekai only work? Because life sucks?

Speaker 2: 32:07

bro, honestly I think you we made that case the entire episode at this point I don't, I mean we still gotta argue the point, dude oh man.

Speaker 2: 32:14

So I mean, how can you say no to that? I mean, I don't think my life sucks. There's definitely worse stuff than people have than me, but you know, everyone's got some stuff in their life they're like not too happy about. So you know, it's it, dude. It's the same argument for any kind of escapism, any movie. People who love movies, people love shows, they're escaping into these shows, these books, these movies. I mean there's a reason people do it. It's not just because their life's so amazing. You know, you kind of want to escape a fantasy set, especially fantasy, I mean not earth, right, that's the whole point, you know. But yeah, I couldn't argue against it. I dare.

Speaker 1: 32:51

I don't know how you can well, see, here's the thing I you know I'm just gonna completely flip the whole argument now and just play devil's advocate and go the other way I've been arguing the entire time that isekai is only popular because life sucks, and that's the only reason I read this shit.

Speaker 1: 33:05

Um, and that's mostly true, sort of I love my life. I wouldn't change anything, but bring it back to what I was talking about at the beginning. Is isekai only work because life sucks, dude? Are you telling me? Life sucked all the way back in the 1300s when they first started writing isekai stories? Like, no dude, it's just humanity. Humanity wants to freaking explore. That's why space movies are popular. That's why going into space was such a thing because that's another world, dude. Um, and yeah, yeah, that's another hot take right there. All space movies are isekai.

Speaker 2: 33:40

So hey, there you go, let's, let's go for it how about aliens?

Speaker 1: 33:43

is isekai bro, oh god how about this?

Speaker 2: 33:47

for for a, a unique take. How about one of these? Someone makes a story of these, and it's not about conquering the new planet, they're just exploring it. How about that?

Speaker 1: 33:57

that'd be fun I think the argument could be made that the aliens were just trying to explore earth oh yeah, I could see that they also needed to eat. But I mean, that's whatever, true?

Speaker 2: 34:08

true, sure, 100. That's a good one, dude, I think. I think you did a good job on that. That was out of the kit, all right.

Speaker 1: 34:15

What do we got next week? Jordan?

Speaker 2: 34:17

So we got your boy Sasuke and Yuno, coming up oh yeah, anime's best rivalries. Yes, this will be a pretty good one, and I'm kind of here for the Sasuke hate, so let's, so let's, let's get into that next episode. I'll bring some of it at least. Yeah, but yeah, we'll kind of go over some really good ones, some ones that are overblown and, you know, just sort of our takes on on different ones. I mean, most of them have some kind of, you know, best friend, enemy, friend of me thing going.

Speaker 1: 34:48

So for sure it's a good um, it's a good plot, uh, plot device absolutely, and when it's done right, it's really uh interesting, you know yeah uh, and when it's done wrong, it's very, very infuriating, yeah it's terrible. It's that's how you get misfit of demon king academy. Yeah, this will be a good one I. How did they end?

Speaker 2: 35:08

it's all right, we'll talk about next week, for sure absolutely good night later.

Speaker 1: 35:14

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