Speaker 1: 0:05

Welcome to Realm Jumpers. I'm Andrew and this is my co-host, jordan.

Speaker 2: 0:09

Hey everyone. We're here to dive into the worlds of fantasy and anime, bringing you epic stories and unforgettable adventures.

Speaker 1: 0:16

We'll be talking world building, unforgettable villains and everything that makes these genres legendary.

Speaker 2: 0:22

So let's jump into the realm. What's up, buddy? How are you? I'm doing all right man Surviving. Yeah fighting off a little of the seasonal ick huh.

Speaker 1: 0:31

Yeah, it's the theme of the week Surviving High school and the dead style hey, that zombie virus?

Speaker 2: 0:38

right, yeah, it's the zombie virus. Got me, bro, they got you, dude, well. Well, this is a little bit of a fun episode, I guess. Right, evolution of superhero fantasy and, uh, anime overlap.

Speaker 1: 0:48

it's kind of interesting yeah, man, from caped crusaders leading off the comic pages to, uh, the high-flying anime heroes, hit me with uh what do we got? Well?

Speaker 2: 0:57

you know we gotta, you know, tie that little thread there, superman to goku, you know how do they collide that kind of fun stuff. But I think you got some realm rumors for us real quick, yeah man?

Speaker 1: 1:07

um, I'm excited to dive into the topic. But, yeah, the realm rumor for tonight. Um so this was just confirmed a couple of days ago and I thought you would be really interested in this, okay, um, so it was confirmed that toriyama officially wanted to end dragon ball z at the Cell Saga and he was kind of pressured, slash, forced, into continuing that on. How do you feel about?

Speaker 2: 1:31

that, brother, good old editors, right Like we need another three years out of you, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:35

How do you feel?

Speaker 2: 1:36

about that. Cell Saga is like the kind of the pinnacle of the story. You know it's definitely, you know, android into Cell S cell saga was amazing and you could kind of see it because tying it off as gohan defeating cell at the end and goku dead, you know it kind of leads that gohan's going to take up the mantle and be the hero of earth, goku's passed on, you know that whole thing. And then the boo saga comes and it's like okay, you know boost saga is not my favorite. I mean, it's okay I guess, but it does kind of read a little bit as uh, you know it makes sense that that cell saga was going to end it.

Speaker 1: 2:12

You know, yeah, for me, for me, the episodes after the cell saga and I and I've probably seen most of them I I haven't seen every single episode, um, but it feels like to me, the episodes after the cell saga just don't yeah. I mean. There's the episodes after the cell sawgate, just don't yeah, I mean there's life, but it's just not. They just don't feel as important absolutely.

Speaker 2: 2:31

And then boo and fat boo, and then he's funny but he's serious, but not, you know, it's like on and on and on, you know type thing. Um, it makes sense, man it. It editors in you know, shonen jump are kind of known for telling the creator to hey, we need another arc out of you, even if your original plan was maybe not that A famous example, I guess. Besides, this would be Bleach. He wanted to end it with the eyes in part, which was honestly great, would have been a great ending. And they wanted more and he did it. And in the middle of him doing what they wanted, they're like okay, wrap it up, you got like two more months. He's like, wait, I need like another year. Nope, you know. So yeah, unfortunately that's the kind of happens.

Speaker 1: 3:12

Yeah, I mean, I feel like that probably hits every industry that has to do with television or animation, movies, anything like that. Sometimes you're on the like a hurry up and wait, uh, holding pattern, and then other times it's like no, finish it now, like you need to be done and you know it's funny because I feel like nowadays there's not many examples of that happening anymore.

Speaker 2: 3:31

So I think they're kind of leaned out of that. You know, recent, in the last maybe decade or so, because it seems to be a lot of the series are running full stories ending and they're good, they're not being drug on, you know, besides piece, but I don't know if it's one. You know, I don't know if it's drug on or not, but you know, like JJK and and Chainsaw man, they kind of are heading towards that. My Hero just ended it wasn't 20 years long, you know had a full story and it's over. So it tends to be.

Speaker 1: 3:57

It seems to be more letting the creator ended on their terms, which is great yeah, that's always the plus right letting the creator end it on on their own terms. Um, I can think of a lot of television shows that did not happen.

Speaker 2: 4:10

That way and you can definitely tell 10 seasons, 2015s.

Speaker 1: 4:14

You're like okay yeah, come on, yeah, and then that works. Yeah, right, that's the worst that is the worst.

Speaker 2: 4:20

As a creator myself, I would be livid if I had something successful and I wanted to end it and they're like two more seasons are out, you know, oh man right, that would be the worst situation. Hopefully we'll never be in that. We'll never have to see that on the creator side of it's probably heartbreaking, right, yeah, yeah. Well, let's dive in, bro. So this is uh gonna be anime. Of course, focus a little bit more superhero side western uh version. I know you're not the biggest superhero.

Speaker 1: 4:48

You know, geek like I am when it comes to that, I am not, so you're gonna have to really convince me, because I and and I'll throw, I'll throw, I'll throw my thoughts in there a bit later, but um, I I just, yeah, I am not satisfied, I don't I don't blame you, man, the thing with the, you know, the, the superheroes was my thing, you know, growing up and then, of course, getting into anime.

Speaker 2: 5:10

But the thing to me that always uh, throws you off or throw me off is like, with superhero stuff, you know, you can maybe kill batman and bring him back, but batman's always going to be around and batman's going to be there, no matter what. You can have the best arc ever and he's still gonna be around. You know, at least in anime and manga they end. You know this growth and unless you're dragon ball, a lot of characters die, they stay dead. You see jujutsu kaisen, for for that one, they, they go, they're gone. Uh, you know, but they can kill superman and kill batman, but they're gonna come back.

Speaker 1: 5:41

I mean, we all know that and that's you know I mean that that does happen in anime too. I mean characters come back from death all the time, but it's yeah, but but also, characters die all the time and you're, like you know superman's from the 1930s, bro, like you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 5:57

like, how are you still around in 2025? You know, and of course you know every what decade they do the universal reboots right. They tend to do those and kind of restart in a way and the characters are always what mid-30s to 40 in that range, somewhere forever. But they do have some epic mythical archetypes and stories. I mean Superman, of course, from another planet, fights for justice is the ideal of what humanity should hope for. You know that whole fun thing. It doesn't really get old, but how do you keep telling stories with the same character and make it fresh? But they are doing it. I mean it's still going right, it's still strong. I know movies have helped, obviously to keep, especially with Marvel, right, endgame and all that really blew it up through the roof right On some of that stuff. Yeah, too far.

Speaker 1: 6:49

Right, it gets good. That's a whole, nother hot take.

Speaker 2: 6:54

Bro, that could be a whole other hot take. I mean I personally, of course, love the phase all the way up to Endgame, ended it cool and now it's still going. And for me I struggle because I'm like and now it's still going. And for me I struggle because I'm like it's cool to see the characters and the fights and all that stuff is awesome. But at a certain point how do you plan this thing meticulously up to endgame and then kind of just wing it after? That is what it feels like. And you can see the box office man. I mean that last movie just came out, captain America, and it had like a 68% drop off the second weekend. It's not good.

Speaker 1: 7:26

You know it's not good. You know it's not good, all right, so let's dive in. Man, tell me where, uh, where does this thing start? How did?

Speaker 2: 7:31

we, you know this madness yeah, right.

Speaker 2: 7:33

So obviously it would start, I guess, with superman, right, you know golden age, 1930s, 1940s, you know comics comes out, takes the world by storm. They never see anything like it. You know all that stuff and you know it's a lot of this stuff. With superheroes, I mean fantasy, right, it's in the dna. Larger than life powers, I mean wonder woman's, you know part god. You know like there's these mythical stuff in all these different characters, uh, stories. You know, of course, batman, he's a human, he's fighting all these superhuman he is.

Speaker 2: 8:03

You know that character that has a terrible background, parents dead, killed in front of him, wants to become a hero. You know his grit but he's got to use his mind. You know it's just like how many anime right, where the hero's character right is terrible, tragic background. Your boy, sasuke, is a good one, a good one on that. And then you know what happens after. What do they become after that? And then you know what happens after. What do they become after this traumatic event? You know they're all touching on the same.

Speaker 2: 8:30

You know veins, the hero's journey, you know what I mean, type stuff and and you kind of watch it. You know the hero stuff is interesting because you know from the 1930s and then the. You know post-depression, world war ii and the darkest time in human history and all this war and death. And then they're putting it in the stories but they want to uplift people and take them out of, like, the horrific part of you know their, their real lives, and anime does that right, manga does that. They're all. They all have that, so it's kind of cool to see it.

Speaker 2: 9:01

You know happen and they have the silver age, which is 50s and 60s, so this is more like sci-fi stuff. You know um flash green lantern they start doing justice league, right. So you have the team up stuff start start to. You know happen and and the. You know wacky sci-fi, cosmic type stuff. You know that's really fun. And then you know 80s and 70s watchmen. You got dark knight returns. You get these graphic novels coming out, so they're starting to get back to like this dark or greedy, honestly more human element, right well, I I think that would have been a reflection of the time period.

Speaker 1: 9:37

Yeah, yeah, the 1950s and 60s were just coming off of world war ii and then, you know, we immediately kind of jump into war which heavily influenced. You know stories like. Captain America and everything, but I feel like stuff like the Watchmen, also heavily influenced by you know that time period of not knowing what was going on and government oversight.

Speaker 2: 10:02

Oh, absolutely, control right and censorship and censorship right and all these things. So the stories they start taking darker turns. Now, funny enough though, on the anime side, in you know the 60s, 63, astro boy, tech powered superhero, he's got a heart of gold, you know, hopeful, that's their, their kind of answer to the superman character. That's kind of their first foray into that type of hero character, which is interesting. And you got Speed Racer, action Pack, you got Gatchaman, all these different things. They start kind of mirroring each other in maybe not the genre of superhero, but the actual story lines themselves, the theme of the characters, the theme of the stories, you know that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2: 10:48

And then, of course, the explosion in the 80s with Dragon Ball right, like boom, the biggest thing ever, you know 84, epic battles, power scaling. You know Goku. He's I mean, we can all say it right, he's kind of like Superman comes from another planet, lands on earth, he's supposed to conquer it but, you know, ends up becoming its hero, its protector, right, I mean, they're very parallel, you know what I mean. So is.

Speaker 1: 11:16

Do you think that's why dragon ball is often credited with? You know, bringing anime style superhero stories to like mainstream like. Is that what?

Speaker 2: 11:27

made it explode because it was yeah because, so you know, we grew up in that era right of watching dragon ball z, and something I didn't know until an adult, you know, later on in my life was the dubbed goku like character is not the actual how he was in the Japanese version, the original version. In our version they dubbed all his lines to be more heroic and superhero-like. In the Japanese version he's just like I want to fight you, but whatever. He's more childlike in that and he has his pursuit of strength and wanting to fight for fun. But that's a very different thing than I need to save my friends and save the world and save this. Not that Goku didn't want to do that in the Japanese version of the original, but his character archetype was more super heroic, I think, in the dubbed version. So you can kind of see that and that's probably why.

Speaker 1: 12:19

honestly, if you want to be real about it, it's probably why it blew up so heavy here, because he was a superhero quote superman type character with the ideals that superman has or that were superior, you know so I, I think I think one of my major issues with um superhero western comics in general is that they always feel like this altruistic story right, like they all have this altruistic need to save the world or fix gotham city or you know it.

Speaker 1: 12:54

Just it all kind of stems to the same thing, like they're not all selfless but it's it's pretty damn close to to like that selfless type of superhero. And then also the superhero worship that like really bothers me. I just I like it's. It's not my thing, because I don't feel like people are that way, which is why I identify better with anime when it comes to that stuff. Yeah, there are characters like goku that have a lot of, you know, superhero like qualities, but, as you said, you know they might have changed some of his lines, but Goku's overarching you know, his overarching like character was let's go fight some shit because you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 13:36

Like because he's the worst parent in all. He's the worst parent in all of anime.

Speaker 2: 13:42

You know his main focus is let's go fight strong people. Bro Piccolo's, gohan's dad, right, that's what everyone says. It's not basically like. But that's the thing is like they share that in a way. You're right, you know they do share those, those arcs. But it is interesting that you say that because for you, you know you're not really drawn to the super stuff. You know that's not your big thing.

Speaker 1: 14:01

I mean, yeah, my favorite character is, you know, wolverine and he's like the most.

Speaker 2: 14:06

I don't give a crap about anybody character in the world, you know he's very good at what he does, right, that's what he says all the time. We're just murdering, right, but but he is a superhero technically, so that's that. You know. You start seeing the blend of like the darker lens and the whole like which is. So that's what makes it so interesting, right, cause you can have a, you know, you can have a wolverine character who's literally murdered, like hundreds of people in his life. Problem, but even more than that. But he's still a superhero, but he's like a straight-up murderer. And then at the same time, in the same world, and that's when it gets fun, you know, is that you have the first family fantastic four, and then you don't kill people and they're this. And then you have the x-men black ops team, who's, you know, murky people left and right, like it's. It's so interesting because when they all start inhabiting the same world and then you start, you know, punisher obviously is a great example, right, vigilante, he kills, you know, villains, but the hero's like, hey, you can't just like murder people. He's like, well, I'm gonna do it. So you know. So then you get that hero versus hero stuff which in in a real world if that was, you know, if heroes were real and there was someone out there just marking people. And then you had the Superman character. You know they're probably going to clash. So it is for me that's like the interesting thing you know in the genre is you start getting those gray areas, you know, between the different characters, you know, and stuff like that. You know. Now 90s, though you know, for us obviously Dragon Ball Z was still taking off, pokemon was really getting big, and then you know X-Men.

Speaker 2: 15:40

The animated series came out, which is very anime-like if you watch the original one and it kind of blows up. I mean that was a lot of our childhood, was that stuff? And you know huge. You know violent action, colorful, you know that whole thing. You know violent action, colorful, you know that whole thing, you know. And anime's more adult, more action oriented, more serious tones. I mean, yeah, we were joking about dragon ball z, but characters die, you know, I mean they. You get to see them die. Whether they get wish back later is one thing. It's still traumatic to see goku take a freaking blast to the chest and he's dead, like you know, fighting rad. It's like that's kind of nuts in a, in a quote cartoon anime kids show thing that you know, introduced us to that kind of fun stuff. You know the stakes yeah, no, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 16:19

You're right there, I um. For me, the 90s is where characters in, you know, the western comic side start to get a little bit more interesting. Um, you know, wolverine's story gets to starts to get fleshed out, deadpool starts to get fleshed out, and they're not your typical hero, they're your anti-hero. That they care about themselves and I, I don't know that that's.

Speaker 2: 16:40

That's kind of where more I lean towards yeah, I mean, but they're more fun, right, like, and they're not Mr Golden Boy, they're like Wolverine drinks, he's a drunk, he smokes cigars. He literally has metal knives, that claws that come out of his body, that you know whether he puts the glove on and you can't see it. It's ripping through his skin. I mean, every time he pops the claws out. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 17:04

Like yeah he's a terrible role model?

Speaker 2: 17:07

Absolutely, bro, but he is a short king though, though I gotta give him that. Yeah, I know he is.

Speaker 1: 17:13

He's a little, um. Yeah well, some of the newer comics, didn't they start drawing him taller because of hugh jackman, I mean?

Speaker 2: 17:20

hugh jackman is great as wolverine. But the height thing, yeah which. There is a joke in the in the last deadpool wolverine movie about that. That's really funny. You know, the, the short, the short, but comic, accurate, size wolverine, absolutely. Now, I will say on the western cartoon front. I don't know if you ever watched batman beyond. I hope you have because I did.

Speaker 1: 17:43

I mean, that was because you were right. That was a huge part of our childhood of course, yeah, and that was so.

Speaker 2: 17:48

Anime like very akira, future gotham and it's sleek and it's dude, it's so anime inspired like I don't know why they haven't done a new one, just straight anime version, you know it would kill, especially now. So yeah, so that was like that was 99, you know. So right around 2000, that kind of. I mean, you remember I was blown up, that was a big deal yeah, that show that was great.

Speaker 2: 18:10

Yeah, it was. It's really fun and you know, futuristic batman's old. There's a young, young buck coming on in. You know, I'll show you how to be batman, you know that kind of thing. It was fun, it was awesome to watch, you know. Yeah, now, as you know, the internet and different things started and yeah, you know, kids would say it too oh, goku would beat Superman. We always would hear that stuff, or no, superman would beat Goku. Well, internet takes off and those types of debates, really the power scaling thing. There's a whole community for that nowadays. Yeah, it's insane dude, it's insane man and spiraled.

Speaker 2: 18:48

Those are conversations I don't really have time for. I never jump in them, but they're interesting to see. You know like, yeah, and you see like raditz would demolish superman and there's people arguing about it, but it keeps the characters alive and it keeps the you know that thing going and going, going.

Speaker 1: 19:03

Yeah, a discussion about you know who would win. That I mean that that keeps that keeps the story going long after it's over. I mean, it's it just it. That's like a that's a no-win situation for me, because it doesn't matter. You could fire off the best character that could definitely win and you're gonna find some obscure reference that some asshole drops into the reddit thread and he's like but remember that one time there was that one thing that got retconned and then, like dude, shut up. I don't care, man, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2: 19:35

but that keeps. You know, it's weird, but that's a big part of like chatter. I guess you'd say, but no, it is, you know, not that I. And of course anime versus anime is always a thing. You know, yeah, that's, that's like the biggest thing. But superheroes get thrown in. I see a lot of like homelander, omni-man, superman talk, you know, from all the different stuff. That kind of stuff, yeah, and it's, it's fun to you know, it's cool to see it. Uh, there's some people who do like actual fan animations of that stuff now which is like so cool, and that's a thing. You know, people will just animate something that they want to see, you know, or like a group of friends or something yeah.

Speaker 1: 20:13

So with, you know, the stories kind of blending. So not stories, but the um, like the genres kind of touch. Occasionally now they reach out and touch somebody. Um, you know, with that happening more and more often, do you think we could ever see something like a? Um, what am I trying to say here? Like a full-blown justice league, but anime style. And I don't mean justice league drawn in animation style. What I mean is like a justice league story, an original justice league story. That's not justice league. It's completely its own thing in an anime, not yeah, so right, funny enough, man.

Speaker 2: 20:52

I think it was like 2014, it was in the 2010s. Sometime in the 2010s they did anime version, animated x-men, which is actually was a really cool show and it was pretty awesome. They did a wolverine version. Um, I know there's some things where they'll do and if I'm trying, I'm trying to remember, but I think the one punch man artist did did a Spider-Man story set in Japan. So there's a lot of cross-pollinating stuff happening. I'm like 99% sure there's a Deadpool one as well.

Speaker 1: 21:22

There's definitely a Wolverine story in Japan.

Speaker 2: 21:25

Yeah, there's tons of, and I think that's just the medium. Because you know the comics, you got to think of it too in this way. The comic medium as far as sales is, not to be rude, but kind of a joke, compared to manga sales, like manga sells a lot of copies, oh yeah, and the Western comics, which is so strange. I never understood it. The movies make billions but they don't create comic book readers, which is strange. And on the flip side, you know Demon Slayer, there is a giant successful anime and they're parlaying that into movies where the end of the show will be in movie form and they're making millions upon millions in the movies. And it started from a manga to an anime. So it's like they don't work that way. For us over here for our comics, it doesn't make. You know, endgame is the most I think still the most made the most money out of any movie ever, but it didn't like make Avengers comics sell billions of copies or millions of copies millions copies.

Speaker 1: 22:32

Well, so I think that has to do with the um, just the culture in general, which you know. Anime anime originally was meant to be, you know, a vehicle that drove you towards the light novel or the manga in the first place, right? So I I think part of the industry has never lost that. You know that drive to push you the other type of media where you know the full story is told. We are seeing more and more anime that get done and told to completion of the story.

Speaker 1: 22:56

But I feel like you know, with Americans or in, you know, western society, when we make a movie, yeah, when we make a superhero movie, it's to drive you to the movie theater and we don't give a crap about any of the other media to the movie theater. And we don't give a crap about any of the other media because obviously you know, as you can see in any a lot, most of the marvel movies, you know they, they bastardize the story, change stuff, and you know every media is going to change stuff when you put it into to either animation or film. Once it goes, you know, on the screen some of that's going to change and I get that it has to, but they outright ignore just so much stuff that you know on the screen some of that's going to change and I get that it has to. But they outright ignore just so much stuff that you know the comic lovers actually love about the stories. For instance, you know Wolverine's supposed to be a short dude, you know like that's not like integral to his character.

Speaker 1: 23:43

Yet, right, he's not supposed to be six foot four, like he's supposed to be five foot four. Um, you know, that's's that's like integral to the character, and so I think that's the main difference, is because to me it feels different because of that drive, the cultural differences and how they preserve the story in the media.

Speaker 2: 23:58

Yeah, no, I definitely see it. It's just I always you know what. If you want to be actually honest, if I'm really really thinking part of probably the problem besides, just culture wise, if you want to watch or, let's say, read one piece, good luck, because you got a lot to do. But you can start at one and keep start going In Western comics. If you want to read a Spider-Man comic, where the hell do you start at?

Speaker 1: 24:26

Right, how many?

Speaker 2: 24:27

universes are they up to now? Well, and how many retcons? And you don't start at one because they've already rebooted that nine times. And so I think the barrier of entry is part of the big problem and I think that's why, originally, the ultimate universe of Marvel was a popular thing while it was going, because it was technically its own universe, but it started at one and you could jump on and get these characters and there were different versions like some of their personalities. Stuff were different. It was more grounded in reality that that world, that I guess, realm. But you could do that, you could start at it where now it's like it's so difficult to know where to begin and I love comics and even I'm like, well, if I want to read this, what do I start at? You know it's hard to know. It's, it's hard to like, decide or figure out, because one arc may be great and one arc won't.

Speaker 2: 25:22

And I think, and personally for me, I mean, manga gets better as you read it because of the art gets tighter and, you know, more refined, but it still looks this the characters in comics you'll have an art team on a arc for 10 issues and it's stunning artwork. And then the next arc starts and they fired everybody and moved to someone else and the characters look terrible or nothing like you like, and you're like why don't we want to read this? For me, that's a big thing. That's why I don't read like ongoing things, because I don't want to read something where the art is like beautiful and really artwork, and then the next one it's like rushed and not as good and you're like it pulls you out, man, and I think that's just how it's done here, for whatever reason. But I think that's part of why you don't see people jumping on board. They don't know where to start and then they kind of get lost and just say this is too much you know so, would you say.

Speaker 1: 26:14

Would you say maybe, and knowing that we know you know nothing about the actual, uh, anime and manga industry? Well, not a whole lot, would you say that, um, you know, the main difference in how it feels is because western comics is more money driven than oh yes oh, you know, animation and manga, yeah, and I think part of that is just maybe Western ideals or ideas. I don't know Western society.

Speaker 2: 26:43

Western society, and I think, well, here's a good example, right, so Invincible. Okay, that came out a long time ago. It's being animated by Amazon. I wish the animation was a little bit better. It's still good. It's violent, it's an adult superhero comic world. It does share a lot with, uh, dragon ball in the sense of, you know, the superman race of people. They're not crypto and cryptonians, but they conquer planets like saiyans. They get stronger the more they get injured. You know they're literally saiyans I mean literally and that, though, you could buy issue one and read the entire thing. It's just it's long, but it's a contained story. Now that anime, quote, animation, cartoon, whatever you want to call it is coming out, you know, on amazon or on season three, and I'm sure that's probably getting people to read it, and I think it's just because the storyline is really good, it's action oriented, it's very violent, um, and you can start at one if you want and read the whole thing right now and I bet that Invincibles.

Speaker 2: 27:45

It's been over for years now, but I bet their comic sales are starting to blow up because of the Amazon show. You know, I feel like it's probably a good thing and it has anime pacing. You could tell that it was made with people who like that stuff, because the way it's paced it's very much like an anime and it works. I mean, it's a very popular show, you know. It's getting tons and tons and tons of ratings.

Speaker 2: 28:08

So, it's, in its end, just like our favorite. I don't know if you've ever seen Invincible, but it's cool.

Speaker 1: 28:14

No, I haven't. I was about to say I'm going to have to check it out Maybe.

Speaker 2: 28:16

Yeah, I think you'd like it. I mean it's superhero but it's pretty dark. It gets really dark and there's some good themes in it and the action's brutal, like really brutal, and yeah, it's fun. I mean, you know, and all this kind of anime overlap, slash, superhero stuff really, in my opinion, culminates in my hero academia. I mean, I know there's a few superhero anime, but that's really probably the, you know, the king of the mountain. On that, which I know you haven't started yet, I don't think.

Speaker 1: 28:43

No, no, I haven't Sorry, so you know if I was going to ask. You know, where do you see anime and superhero comics going Like? Do you see a more of a blend? But with we covered this in a realm rumor a few weeks ago um, you know where the? Was it the head of? Was it the head of country role, where he said, um, I see anime staying a fully Japanese thing. Do you think American comics will ever, you know, relinquish the rights to draw to an animation studio in Japan?

Speaker 2: 29:16

I mean, if they were smart they would, because you can, you got to look at it like this and there are. I think there are some that's happened. I know the X-Men one was, I'm pretty sure that was an anime studio, a Japanese studio, but there was a Batman Ninja which was terrible. But they're trying to crash into that market over there. You know they are, which they should.

Speaker 2: 29:38

Their characters would probably translate and I know certain ones are popular over there and I think if they want to crash into that market it would need to be very deliberate, as in, you know, either launch, launch a, uh, I guess, a reality universe, whatever you want to call them where they're kind of restarting from one again and launch it and do it with top tier and animes to like something like so, like a. You know the good, the good studios. You need the good studios. You could do it. It would probably blow up and I'm sure they would. They would love it. There'd be no reason they wouldn't like it. They have all the shonen character types, you know I think it would be more a matter of.

Speaker 1: 30:17

I think it would be more a matter of them not wanting to relinquish creative control well, if that's the case, then you got more money than god.

Speaker 2: 30:24

Disney your own marvel open an anime studio. What are we doing?

Speaker 1: 30:27

like you got them I don't think that'll work either.

Speaker 2: 30:29

I don't think it'll work either, but they, they could try.

Speaker 1: 30:32

I mean, yeah, you know, yeah, no, they could definitely try, but I I think they're very, um, I think, animation, anime, very secular, you know, I feel like it would end up being one of those things where they're kind of ostracized and it tanks.

Speaker 2: 30:48

I mean, who's doing Castlevania and the Devil May Cry? I don't. Are they anime studios? Are they Korean ones? Because those are game properties that are being animated and they're very popular. They're pretty big.

Speaker 1: 31:00

Yeah, I actually don't know, so I won't comment on that. I know that the original uh devil may cry.

Speaker 2: 31:06

Was an anime studio yeah, because there's a new one about it was dropped soon, yeah yeah, but there's a new one about to drop so I mean they could try. I don't know, maybe it would maybe fall flat. But hey, go for it, I would.

Speaker 1: 31:18

I would like to just see them say hey, we want to produce this story and give it to an anime studio and just watch it happen. Like just give them the control. That's what I would want to say. Wolverine or hell, even spider-man, anything really just something pick a superhero story. Pick a, pick a superhero story and say develop this arc through this arc and make it your way.

Speaker 2: 31:41

Here's the material yeah, I think it. I think that it would dude. You know the culture now world, I mean anime is worldwide. You know it's, it's so big. Why wouldn't you tap into that to grow your brand awareness of spider-man or wolverine? Well, we, can hope man, we can only hope. Well, maybe they'll hear this and they'll be like that's a great idea.

Speaker 1: 32:00

And they'll do it. Yeah, but yeah, I am open to consult.

Speaker 2: 32:04

Right, yeah, this is our idea. You're not stealing at Disney, don't you dare, right? But I think you're right. I think you know fully anime style. You know Justice League, avengers. I think they've tried. There's think they've tried. There's some show I didn't watch it, it's a kid show where it's anime, world anime, and then the kid has an iron man figure or something and it creates the character in the real life. So I think they're trying to do it in in different ways. I don't think they've tapped it the right way, probably to really blow up, um, but hey, you know, these superheroes are not going to go nowhere and with the success of my hero, mean, obviously Japan loves the idea of superhero characters. I mean, all Might is literally Captain America. I mean he's literally trained in America, like that's this whole character. He's the coolest character in the whole damn thing. You know one of your mentor characters, you know. So it's like it's there, they're tapping into it. What are we doing, you know?

Speaker 1: 33:03

let's figure it out. Yeah, I feel like they just tap into it differently. You know, and I kind of already said this, but it's like I don't know the, the characters aren't selfless. You know, even in MHA they they're not like just these Superman selfless characters all the time, whereas like comics are predominantly that they just, I don't know it feels, it just doesn't feel as real to me as as the, the animated or the anime versions do, I don't know. And then, and then there's just the hero worship. Like I don't get it. I think that happens too much here. I mean, people name their babies after these characters and I'm like bro, what are you doing?

Speaker 2: 33:44

yeah, yeah, named her, named her son, bruce, like you know what happened to the parents? Right, I get it, but I I'm sure it's like that there, man, with anime, you know manga anime, right? Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1: 33:57

Maybe, not, maybe we're the only ones naming arcade goku right, no, I, I feel like it's purely a, a western yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 2: 34:07

Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Maybe I'll get your love of superheroes. When you finally watch my hero, you'll be like you know what? This is actually pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 34:13

I like it yeah, but I don't think it. But I, I, so I started my hero um I I don't think it'll change my opinion on superhero stories like the actual, you know, western comics. I don't think it's gonna change my opinion. Um, I'm only on episode three, though, so don't know it's gonna be like this.

Speaker 2: 34:30

We'll see what happens. You're gonna be like damn, they did it better than us too, that's good right, that's kind of what I think is gonna happen yeah it's a great story. It's one of my favorite series. Man, for sure, I'm trying to almost get all the characters from it behind me. But yeah, you'll, uh, I think you'll really like the endeavor character, very three-dimensional, very multifaceted. Yeah, you'll be interested. I want your take on that eventually for sure. Yeah, for sure. Do you got a hot take this week, bro, or what? What?

Speaker 1: 34:56

do we? What do we got this week? I mean, we've kind of been discussing it off and on here, so what? The hot take is, uh, what do you prefer? Anime or, like western superhero comics? Oh man, I know, I know your answer. You know what I'll even throw in another caveat anime slash manga versus western superhero comics and cartoons and movies.

Speaker 2: 35:20

Throw the movies in.

Speaker 1: 35:21

You might as well, man throw it all, I mean you can throw the movies in, so for me that just makes it go more negative, right, right. Well, I know you're gonna pick.

Speaker 2: 35:29

Um, I would say honestly, I love the superhero stuff so much, but anime is just it's bigger in in my life than the superhero stuff is. I mean, I love supers but yeah, I tend to consume more anime content than than the superhero stuff. I mean, I've probably seen every marvel movie there are. Some of them are great, some are whatever, but I'm not. I don't get the hype that I used to get. Maybe it's just too much of them, you know, or maybe it's disappointing.

Speaker 1: 35:55

I am hyped for super I haven't seen yeah, I haven't seen a. I haven't seen a marvel movie past Endgame, the only one I would recommend is the last Spider-Man.

Speaker 2: 36:04

That was great and they've had multiple options Does Spider-Man count?

Speaker 1: 36:07

He counts, does Spider-Man count?

Speaker 2: 36:08

Yeah, he counts, he's a Marvel, I mean yeah, I guess Okay. Did you see the?

Speaker 1: 36:13

last one, I think. So, dude, I don't know. I'd have to go ask my son son.

Speaker 2: 36:21

I don't remember that was great, but yeah, a lot of the, a lot of them have probably been good. They have not been that good. So yeah, I don't blame him. Well, you know your answer.

Speaker 1: 36:24

Go ahead, just say it officially you already know, anime slash manga, for the limited manga that I do read, which right uh, for the listeners was manga read to completion, was fairy tale and um seven deadly sins. So it's not that I haven't started others, and don't you know, I do want to start others, it's just those are the only two I've officially read.

Speaker 2: 36:46

Too many light novels bro.

Speaker 1: 36:48

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:49

I yeah light novels?

Speaker 1: 36:50

I mean, dude, I don't know. Give me the words, bro, I like a lot of words.

Speaker 2: 36:55

Yeah, you read super fast. So yeah, it makes sense I do, but honestly it it makes sense, I do.

Speaker 1: 36:58

But honestly, it's not that I, just when I'm going to sit down and read, I just dedicate time to sitting down and read. So I, like I, will devote chunks of time, huge chunks of time, to sit down and read.

Speaker 2: 37:10

Yeah, that's my goal here this year is to get a book under my, under my wing there on reading.

Speaker 1: 37:15

Yeah, I'll come make you read something Deal, all right. You read something, deal, all right. Well, next week's topic, um, we're gonna be discussing jordan's writing journey from web comics to novels I'm nervous. I don't know about this, yeah, so I hope everybody will join us next week for that absolutely, guys, well, appreciate you listening and uh, yeah, keep rocking yeah, have a great night.

Speaker 1: 37:38

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Speaker 2: 37:47

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