Speaker 1: 0:05

Welcome to Realm Jumpers. I'm Andrew, and this is my co-host, jordan.

Speaker 2: 0:09

Hey, everyone we're here to dive into the worlds of fantasy and anime, bringing you epic stories and unforgettable adventures.

Speaker 1: 0:16

We'll be talking world building, unforgettable villains and everything that makes these genres legendary. So let's jump into the realm and everything that makes these genres legendary. So let's jump into the realm. Tonight, we're kicking back and diving into fantasy books that have been crowding our shelves and Kindles lately, from hidden gems to series. We just can't seem to quit, even though we should. This is a laid-back, spoiler-light conversation for readers who know the TBR pile is a living growing beast.

Speaker 2: 0:43

Dude my TBR pile. It's all your fault, man. You got me back into reading again and now it just keeps growing.

Speaker 1: 0:49

Yeah, so it's a. It's a problem. It's a legitimate problem. It's a legitimate problem. I downloaded Kindle on my PC again, which I had to scab that app together. And yeah, don't, don't come at me in the comments. Amazon sucks. But I already have 600 plus books on Kindle, which that was the actual point I was getting to. I thought I only had about 200 to 300 books on Kindle. No, between light novels and manga, I've got 600 entries on my freaking Kindle device. That's a lot. It's a lot, um, which is fine. I've read most of them.

Speaker 2: 1:29

Yeah, you're a reading junkie dude, you're like a master. Uh, look, I can't, just I can't blame you only. I mean we, wife, you made us build a library and it's getting full. Honestly, you, you got me into reading again, but when?

Speaker 1: 1:42

I had a library in my living room. Bro, I've read, bro it's, it's crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:46

And then I'm looking at all her books and it's all you know the girly books, the fate, the romancy, the some of them are pretty pretty spicy bro, some of these books. And I'm realizing like, well, I gotta have my some of my stuff up here.

Speaker 1: 1:57

I can't just be straight although I will say uh, for spicy women-ledled romance novels that are fantasy adjacent yeah like genre. Yeah, yeah, well adjacent, because it's not 100% fantasy, right.

Speaker 2: 2:15

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:16

It's close but like there's this series, let me back up. I might have it, she might have it. My sister was reading a few days and, like one of them, looked interesting, so I picked it up and read it and it was part of this series called the dark hunters and bro cool, cool, cool series title, I don't know it's. It's actually cool as hell, it's just a lot of them are super spicy spicy yeah it's dude, dude.

Speaker 2: 2:43

Here's the funny part, some of them will be. I'm like I should be like, because we were renovating, right, so painting, you know, there's like paintings. So sometimes there's like audio books that she has and they're playing, and I'm in the other room like building another bookshelf for the 20th time and I hear some, some things coming out and I'm like, hey, yo, what is this? I come in, I'm like what are you listening to? And she's like it's this book. So I'm like I gotta start getting some books. So thank you for getting me into miss born, because you're absolutely welcome, bro.

Speaker 2: 3:12

Yes, that ignited a hole. Now, um, uh, yeah, I'm going down the rabbit hole which we'll get to all that, but let's do the other stuff first. But it's uh, it's been pretty cool for sure yeah, well, that, um, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1: 3:25

I guess it's not really even a segue, just for anyone that's wondering what the hell are we talking? The whole thing is, you know, realm jumpers was supposed to be and anime related, um, and we did cover some of that in the beginning. You know, we did a pretty good split in the beginning and then, like the spring anime season kicked off and the hunter's exam kicked off and we did a lot of content covering anime and you know we were Jordan and I were both just looking at it we haven't talked about anything but anime in weeks, bro.

Speaker 2: 3:52

Yeah, it's kind of been a while we had to bring it back.

Speaker 1: 3:55

We had to bring it back to the roots.

Speaker 2: 4:06

Because I mean, honestly, like, as good as anime is, I would rather sit down and down every day of the week. Oh yeah, I mean fantasy is, you know, anime, movies, books, shows, which you know. There's a lot that. Yeah, exactly the whole point was it was a broad topic and we kind of pigeonholed it for a little bit. But that's okay, we can, we can open it all encompassing fantasy. Yeah, yep, so we're going to be chatting about some cool books that we're into, that we started and just, uh, you know, riffing, so how did you enjoy mistborn like, and I I'm just gonna say that because I know you enjoyed it, but how like?

Speaker 2: 4:32

tell me about it I'm gonna tell you this I thought you were blowing smoke up my ass originally about the magic system. That is one of the most unique magic systems I've ever actually it might be the most as far as I know um magic systems ever and when you were saying it should be animated, like I agree, because I think it would be super hard to do in live action unless you really had a lot of budget, uh, to do it. But, dude, this is great. I mean my favorite was definitely the first book, was my favorite of them, but all three were great. I mean great endings, great twists, great.

Speaker 2: 5:09

I was like just hooked, like I had to read the whole trilogy as fast as I could. I had to see what happened with Vin, I had to see how it played out and I mean there's some things, of course, I probably would don't love the most about some of them, but at the end of the day, a solid trilogy. And like I'm kind of sad because I want to see it in another form, but I don't know if it can be done, because I heard that he kind of bailed on trying to do it as a series or a movie because he, he wants control and they won't give it to him and I'm like dude, don't do it without control, because yeah right so you know that he wrote.

Speaker 1: 5:43

He, like ghost, wrote the last couple of novels of Wheel of Time right.

Speaker 2: 5:48

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:48

I look, you tell me about that. I feel like, even if he and I don't know if he has said it. So actually, this one, you can at me in the comments If you know the answer to this. He might have said this, but I feel like him pulling the plug on Mistborn probably had a little bit to do with the way Wheel of Time went.

Speaker 2: 6:07

Well, I read something about that, because, apparently Because he was vocal about not.

Speaker 1: 6:11

He was happy at first and then very not happy.

Speaker 2: 6:15

Well, I heard, that he had like writer's notes or whatever producer notes, whatever it was, and he would give them after the first season like, hey, you need to be doing this. And that they were like, hey, we don't care, we're doing our own thing. And and now we can say it's canceled. So good job, guys. Another series that you knew better than the source material because, right, you're in hollywood, awesome, and you have destroyed it. So good job. Now it's dead. And once again we're on the same old train of I don't need to follow this, the already created storyline or script or show or book or whatever game, because you guys know better. And now we have another badly adapted series that's canceled, that will likely never get adapted again because now it's got that stink of cancellation on it and you know it's. It's the same old hollywood story. I, I, so I don't blame him one bit that he pulled miss born and said I'm not gonna do it unless I have full control. I mean, I wish some somebody would just give him money and let him do it.

Speaker 1: 7:17

Dude, like there's a few projects that I wish people would just throw like just give him.

Speaker 2: 7:22

Yeah, bro, let him do his thing.

Speaker 1: 7:24

Like, yeah, absolutely, uh, there's some writers out there that need that, need their series finished, that honestly, I think they should just throw sandra um to like the rest of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just because we're never gonna see the other books and I'm not game of thrones.

Speaker 1: 7:38

That's not the only one. That's not the only one. There's another one. Uh, there's another series called king killer chronicles by or king. Is it king killer chronicles? It's something. It's king killer something. Anyways, patrick rothfuss. Originally, when he got his book deal, you know the whole premise behind it, and what they pushed out to everyone like this is what they told everybody and their mother was that all three books were done. Um, books two and three just needed a little bit of light polishing. Right, that's some revisional stuff. That was in 2007, when the first book came out, so what?

Speaker 1: 8:09

happened? The second book came out in 2000. They were supposed to be released back to back to back 2007, 2008, 2009. Book two didn't come out until 2014. But was it big?

Speaker 2: 8:20

oh, it's huge and so it's very popular and it is fantastic it's great, fantastic writing.

Speaker 1: 8:27

But he is one writer that and like I get he's had some. He's had some um depression issues and just like he's had some life happen to him. You know what I mean. Like life happens, I get that, but like I don't know if he's the one that said he had the story completely written or if that was some publishing BS that they threw out there to kind of get everybody to buy in to this. I don't know, but it looks bad. It looks bad.

Speaker 1: 8:52

It pisses everybody off there's other rumors that he's like stolen money from his fans in like fundraising type stuff. Oh man, I don't follow enough of it anymore at this point. I don't even follow him on Twitter. I just want the last book, and then I want to be, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2: 9:08

Well, 2014, bro, 11 years ago, man, yeah, exactly so that was book two was 2014.

Speaker 1: 9:13

We haven't seen book three yet. Is the dude older or middle-aged?

Speaker 2: 9:20

He's late 40s. Okay, so we don't have a george r martin situation. No, he's not that old.

Speaker 1: 9:25

Yeah, at the at the most he's early 50s, but honestly I would say mid to late 40s I, I don't know, dude, that's a shame when that happens, man that's just I lost my entire train of thought because patrick rothfuss will do that to me every time. Like I will go on a rant and next thing I we're three levels deep and hours later and I had no clue what the initial point was. Damn it.

Speaker 2: 9:49

Well, I have you, I got you. Your point was that can someone finish the series? Because clearly he ain't going to do it.

Speaker 1: 9:55

Yeah, no Sanderson. I wish people would just throw Sanderson at several series.

Speaker 2: 10:01

Like hey, finish this one up. Yeah, please, please finish. Can he do berserk now?

Speaker 2: 10:06

right, he probably which actually yeah side note, not to get into anime, but apparently there were chapters coming out. I was 20 chapters behind, found out over the weekend and binged the hell out of it. Very, I'm loving where it's going. I'm not gonna go into it, but yeah so. But his assistant is taking, or his friend or whatever's taking over. Sometimes you get it, sometimes that's the thing you got to do it. So, yeah, not having an ending is the worst, because the Berserk is like quintessential grimdark, like that's that's.

Speaker 1: 10:35

that's dark for like almost no reason. Sometimes I think it's just because. Yeah, it's because because Homeboy was fighting demons in real life. That's what's up.

Speaker 2: 10:44

Bro, absolutely, man, but that's the thing is like, you're right, sometimes they're like let's, can someone finish this? I mean, I, I'm assuming this is what's going to happen to Game of Thrones. Yeah, yeah, who knows, dude, because he ain't going to finish. He's got two books.

Speaker 1: 10:57

So yeah, mistborn, I'm glad you loved it and, for people following along, I kind of recommended that Jordan not finish like the latter half of the series after book three. Not, not, not read it at all. Just not read it right now. There's much more in the Cosmere to be explored that.

Speaker 2: 11:19

I think I want to do Stormlight for sure.

Speaker 1: 11:22

Yeah, dude, I think you are going like Stormlight is so up your alley, it's. I honestly I think you'll, I think you're going to get inspired for you, like your projects coming off of Stormlight.

Speaker 2: 11:37

Well, honestly, bro, this really inspired me to like. I finished Deck of Fates. The novel is done.

Speaker 1: 11:42

Yeah, you've been writing like a madman Dude.

Speaker 2: 11:44

So it's and I'm it's gonna be on amazon, probably pretty soon, because I'm uploading everything. I get the cover like I'm doing all that. So it'll be up there, um, but if you have, the cover.

Speaker 1: 11:55

Are you still still?

Speaker 2: 11:56

working on it. No, we're good to go, man. I'm just waiting for my proof copy to come in so I can look at it. Um, I did hit five almost 500 pages on that one. That was pretty cool. I never wrote that much, so that was cool. Um what?

Speaker 1: 12:08

um. What does that relate to?

Speaker 2: 12:10

um well, so I think it depends on the size of the book too. Obviously it's a big factor of that.

Speaker 1: 12:16

Uh, I think it was 80,000 words not 85, I was gonna try for a hundred like I was gonna try to run for the 100.

Speaker 2: 12:25

But I'm like I'm not writing for a word count, like I know where I wanted to end the first book and I reached it, and I'm like I'm gonna end it the way I want to end. I don't want to try to like add, pad it up.

Speaker 1: 12:35

That's perfect for a light novel though. Anyways, right, because lighten, a long light novel is 80,000 words and I get excited when I see a long light novel, but I mean most of them are two to three hour reads for me. Yeah, cause you're a robot.

Speaker 2: 12:50

You're actually AI. No one knows it. That's fine. You replaced the real agent, oh wow.

Speaker 1: 12:55

So I'm the AI that is constantly arguing against. Why?

Speaker 2: 12:59

I should be allowed into play Like bro, but would that not be a good way to come on that's? I mean, I guess that's the way to convince everybody I'm not a robot, absolutely. This is the deep fake right here. Yeah, dude, this whole, this whole podcast. Dude, we're both ai man. This is one of those.

Speaker 1: 13:13

Google yeah, folks, I don't look like this. This isn't my voice, um complete. We're just typing stuff into the computer and it randomly spits out whatever.

Speaker 2: 13:22

I'm pretty sure it's messed up, can you?

Speaker 1: 13:24

believe we're prompts. Yeah, this is a prompt. This is a problem. Let me tell you how to engineer your life right.

Speaker 2: 13:30

The uh no, but the you're, you're absolutely right is like me reading all of it. It really got me into just just like overdrive. It really inspired me. So if stormlight's even more of that, that's great, because you knowborn, really, it's really grabbed me, man. It was, it was. I was living in that world for a while.

Speaker 1: 13:48

So the magic system in Stormlight is awesome and interesting, but I don't feel like it was as interesting as Mistborn. Don't get me wrong. I love it and it's well-written, but I still feel like Mistborn's magical system is a it's more fun well, it's just so different.

Speaker 2: 14:10

I've never even seen anything like like that was such a different concept for how to use powers and stuff and like, and then the medals and what they did and each one did something different, and then like dude, that was just, it was you. It was very unique, which I really like. That and that's. I'm only not going to read it for just the magic system. Obviously I want action, which, if there's action, I'm all in, because when you'll trip balls in the prologue yeah, okay, good I'll tell you this stormlight, the first book, the way of kings.

Speaker 1: 14:38

It's double prologued. Oh wow, really. It's got a prologue and then it has another prologue. That's cool. Before you even get to chapter one.

Speaker 2: 14:47

Here's my list. I have about 150 pages left of the Devils by Joe Abercrombie, which I'm just liking.

Speaker 1: 14:54

How are you liking that?

Speaker 2: 14:55

Dude. It's funny because when I first started the first part of the beginning, I'm reading it and he writes different. Yeah, he definitely does, it's different. So it's weird because I went from Sanderson to this, so I'm reading it and it's like vulgar, which is fine, I love that and British kind of, which I love that, and I'm kind of like I'm reading it. I'm like I don't know if I like this, but I just kept reading because I was like I feel like this is pretty cool. And then it started getting into the characters and it's like I feel like I'm reading monster version of the like suicide squad or something like the way the characters are. So I actually am really digging the interactions.

Speaker 1: 15:33

It's funny as shit yeah, the book is hilarious. Yeah, my first um I I for joe abercrombie I I like the blade itself better that series, which I can't remember the name of that series.

Speaker 2: 15:48

Is it First Law? Is that that series? Because I heard that's one of his big series. I don't know, maybe that sounds right.

Speaker 1: 15:55

Yeah, it is, that's First.

Speaker 2: 15:57

Law series Okay.

Speaker 1: 15:59

The Blade itself is the first book in that First Law. And let me say this like you said, it's jarring going from Sanderson or Rothfuss to joe abercrombie, not in a bad way, it's just. It's so different written, so different. Yeah, um that, that's it.

Speaker 2: 16:15

That's written perfect, jarring 100, because I was like I almost gave it up in chapter two.

Speaker 1: 16:20

I I almost put the book down in chapter two, but I, you know, persevered and it does this like it's got a like a three character focus in the blade itself and two of the characters I absolutely hated. Straight off out of jump street I was like I hate these, like I don't see redeeming qualities. Right like I, I can't see any redeeming qualities for these two. But um no, they brought it back. Both of the characters I hated. They're still their same selves, but he put enough life into the character that I'm like oh you know, this is actually believable and I can get behind your reasoning, even if I still think you're a dick.

Speaker 2: 17:00

Hey, that's good writing, bro. If you're able to do that, yeah, like right now. I mean, I did you you read the doubles or no? Have you read that one? I?

Speaker 1: 17:08

it just came out, I think I. I think I audiobook okay, no, no wait, it just came out like well, maybe it did. I thought it just came out, I think I.

Speaker 2: 17:12

I think I audio book. Okay, no, no, no, no, wait, it just came out. Well, maybe it did. I thought it just came out like within a couple of months, maybe not, though I don't know. Look it up. I feel like I audio booked it, maybe I just. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. Yeah, look it up and see.

Speaker 1: 17:25

But like the. I thought it was pretty new. I know I'm reading the blurb right now. Brother Diaz summoned to the sacred city.

Speaker 2: 17:34

Yeah, I can't. I can't stand Brother Diaz, but then I was growing on me, so maybe that's what's going on.

Speaker 1: 17:40

OK, so this was published in May. No, this isn't. It sounds familiar, but no, this isn't what I audio. I put this on the list.

Speaker 2: 17:49

This blurb looks interesting. No, dude, it's fun if they're all monsters. There's a werewolf, a priest, uh, voodoo, or like a magician don't call him a wizard uh, there. And then there's like a pirate, like thief, a girl who should not be a princess. That actually is a prince, yeah, it's like this whole thing. And we got a vampire in there, which I die because he's very old and decrepit in the beginning. When they get him in the cell like dracula, like he's just yeah, he's old and saggy.

Speaker 2: 18:17

But as the book goes on, he starts looking younger and younger and younger and they're like are you feeding on people, like you know? It's so funny. So it's, dude, it's a fun book man. He's like no, I don't know what you mean. No, it's, it's a fucking funny book, dude, I just be laughing, it's so fun.

Speaker 2: 18:34

The werewolf dude is like the most interesting version of a werewolf I think I've ever seen in, ever in in media, ever devised like super cool, you're gonna dig it. Dude it's but I was jarring is the right word, because at first I'm like I don't think I like this. Like everyone says this is good and it's funny and fantasy and dark, and I'm reading it like this is so different than sanderson I think that I needed just a couple chapters. Well, dude, it's amazing. It's just a different type of writing. So no, but I'm very vulgar, brutal, brutal, like when the werewolves going on a rampage dude, that is one of the most visual.

Speaker 1: 19:12

Like, oh shit so it's laid itself that has got some pretty grisly torture scenes and I'm like, oh my god, bro, dude like I mean the world's biting heads, and it's very descriptive.

Speaker 2: 19:24

Man like the the good she calls it the good meat. Who's got the good meat? I'm like, oh my Dude, you're going to like it. It's a great, it's good man. Yeah, all right, that's going on. Yeah, all right, well.

Speaker 1: 19:36

Jordan has completely dived into high fantasy lately. I kind of took a little bit of a back seat and this probably won't surprise anybody. Now I read a book called he, or a series of books called he, who fights with monsters, and I feel like I've heard of that title before, like I'm pretty sure the author is american, but it's written sort of in the light novel style, sort of this is where it gets really weird, right, because technically it's an isekai, because he leaves earth and gets transplanted to another fantasy, right. Well, that is well, yeah, but then it's. It's written like a regular fantasy series, like interesting, not written like a harem type isekai thing.

Speaker 1: 20:22

Um, yeah, like he immediately falls into the hands of, like this, uh, cannibal cult. Yeah, yeah, and like the, the character Jason, he's like this snarky little asshole. I mean, he's funny as hell and I don't know. I don't even really know how to describe that, because I've heard that people either love it or hate it. I'm on the love it list, okay, it's one of those. Yeah, yeah, there are times when the author has gotten to points I think it was like book seven for me where I was like, oh, dear God, I just need to finish this book so I can get to book eight, because book eight goes back to more interesting stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then he ends up kind of a world hopper in his own universe, like he goes from the fantasy land back to earth and then back to the fantasy land and then back to over the series over the course of 12 books. That's crazy, yeah and it's.

Speaker 1: 21:19

It is very good. It's written pretty well. Um, it's not. You know, we just established that you don't have to be sanderson to be a great author.

Speaker 1: 21:29

Um so it's not sanderson, like the prose isn't. The prose is more, um, modern because you know it's, it's a guy from modern australia, you know he's not, um, yeah, it's not old-timey, like even the uh, the fantasy world, although it is like a fantasy world. They have some tech, like they have some magic tech, so they're not completely tech, so they're not completely like. You know, we just discovered fire, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 21:56

Yeah, they're not like, not like, super like Stoney G, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 22:02

Yeah, so you know they speak modern, which is fine. That part is a little bit jarring. Like if you were expecting a full fantasy like high fantasy thing they're not. There's no Tolkien speak. You know, nobody sounds like that. Like if you were expecting a full fantasy like high fantasy thing uh, they're, they're not. There's no tolkien speak. Um, you know, no, nobody sounds like that. But it's very good, dude, I I enjoyed it. Um, I don't even know how I discovered that. Like, I don't know, dude, I get the email. Like god, I hate freaking gmail man. Um, I get, I, you know, I get the emails from Amazon that are here are series you might like. You might like this. I do like this Now.

Speaker 1: 22:35

I'm going to go F you for making me read 12 new books. Thank you.

Speaker 2: 22:39

So their, their, their profile view is like very fine tuned that they're very, it's very, it's very on on brand.

Speaker 1: 22:47

They've got me down. They've got me down.

Speaker 2: 22:49

Well, it's cool, though You're finding new stuff like that. I mean, I'm pretty much getting them from you. Although I did join a book Facebook group that's where I saw devil. It was like, wait, what is this? And I read that it was like, oh, it's got a vampire world and this is like a fan like they're. They're villains. Okay, let's check this out. So that's. I started reading T-Bait again, Did you? Is there more? Is there new ones?

Speaker 1: 23:15

Is that what it is that you didn't know. No, I just a couple of things in the anime popped me off and I was like I don't, you know, I know it didn't happen that way. I mean, anime changes stuff all the time, but you know it was bugging me. So I was like I need to go check this out. So yeah, now I'm back in like book four of rereading it, of T-Bate rereads, and currently there's 11 published. So I'll be done with those by the end of the week probably.

Speaker 2: 23:36

So I have a question is maybe I saw this on posts and I don't maybe you've uh, you know what or read it, or I don't know if it's overhyped, or I kind of maybe know a little bit of what it is, but I didn't really dive too deep because I don't want to add too much to the list, because I already got stormlight in there, first laws in there. I don't want to put too many things because then I'm gonna get like now, put all the things on the list, put all the things yeah, what is?

Speaker 2: 23:58

um, have you heard this dungeon, dungeon crawler, carl thing? What is? What is this about? So I haven't checked it out.

Speaker 1: 24:04

I haven't checked it out yet, but um like it's, like, there's a there's a growing thing on tiktok apparently, where it's like you either love he who Fights With Monsters and hate Dungeon Crawler Carl, or you love Dungeon Crawler Carl and you hate he who Fights With Monsters?

Speaker 1: 24:20

I don't know. I'm going to have to go read them now and really see if it's like is it really that black and white? Like do you hate one and love the other? Because obviously I already love he who Fights With Monsters. So that would mean I'm gonna have to automatically hate dungeon crawler carl, and then you're gonna read it and be like oh, I actually like this, right? Yeah, no, that's actually what I'm worried about is, I don't know how many books there are in that series and I'm gonna have to dive into this and read them all to be able to tell you whether or not it's accurate like I saw the cover, I was like what is this?

Speaker 2: 24:48

and then I was like kind of read a little bit. I'm like this kind of seems interesting. I was like I wonder if he ever read this.

Speaker 1: 24:53

Yeah I haven't, I've just heard of it and there's stuff on book talk about it, so yeah, I started seeing that apparently it's pretty.

Speaker 2: 25:00

Yeah, it's very. It's getting blown up, I guess, over there. So I was wondering, like man, I wonder. I want your advice, your opinion on it, because we have similar tastes.

Speaker 1: 25:09

So I, I'm probably. Yeah, we'll talk about it in an episode or two, because I'm I'm probably gonna read at least a couple of the next see, if you like it.

Speaker 2: 25:16

I don't know how many there are.

Speaker 1: 25:18

I don't know, I don't, I don't want to know, I don't I don't want to know, because then you'll end up down a rabbit hole. Reading 15 I'm screwed either way, because I'm gonna read them you have to read it now.

Speaker 2: 25:28

You have to. I have to at least read one that doesn't mean I have to.

Speaker 1: 25:29

I have to at least read one. That doesn't mean I have to finish the series, but if I pick up one book like there aren't very many books that I've started reading and just been like I'm not reading any more of this Game of Thrones book five. That was it for me for Game of Thrones. You're like I'm done 50, 50 pages in 50 pages and I was like I'm done, I don't care anymore. Done, I don't care anymore.

Speaker 2: 25:54

I waited too long and we spend 50 pages talking about shit I don't care about. That's the problem. Well, I've never read those, that series. I will never read it now.

Speaker 2: 25:58

So, whatever I watched the show, whatever, my theory is that he did want to end it that way. He saw how mad people were and he was like, okay, I have to do, and that's why it's taking, you're screwed now, yeah, you, you totally ruined it because he always said, well, I'm working with them and they know what I want to do. And then everyone hated it and he's like, uh, oops, yeah, which is I? Every like once, I swear, once a week I just get a random thought like that was the biggest show in the world and literally just fell off the face of the fucking earth on that last season. And now everyone is like f that shit, like it's just the ending, just it overshadows the whole thing. There was a lot of cool stuff in that show and unfortunately, you know, the ending last season just really just kind of like it, just it's you got to end it, right, I say you have to have a good ending.

Speaker 1: 26:48

For me, there just wasn't. I don't know. There was never enough magic in that series to begin with oh, there's magic, but we're not gonna really show. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah like what magic didn't show up until, I don't know, a season, late, season two.

Speaker 2: 27:04

Well, a lot of the stuff just fell off the anywhere, like the girl that was the blood priestess that birthed a blood demon to kill the guy and then nothing ever happened from that again, what was the point of? Yeah, there was some definitely dropped uh story.

Speaker 1: 27:17

Yeah, yeah I don't know, bro it's. It's why the the book market is kind of out of control and the shows, uh, that are getting made off of like.

Speaker 2: 27:28

yes, game of thrones was, yeah, sure For the most part, but the reputation of it now it's like it's not like, oh my God, it's amazing. It's like it was great, but the ending it's like there's that Wheel of.

Speaker 1: 27:42

Time was. I watched it. I enjoyed it mostly, but I'm a diehard book fan, so like that show was always going to piss me hard, that's right.

Speaker 2: 27:53

Well, but I'm a diehard book fan, so like that show was always going to piss me hard, less Right. Well, I didn't read the book and I watched the show and there was a lot of I will tell you that I was like I don't care about, like most of what's happening, less rands and in the scenes, like I just I didn't even care. So they they failed somewhere Cause they're not even pulling.

Speaker 1: 28:08

Supposedly I'm the book they didn't really like I was watching because I liked it by the time. Books five rolls around um rand is still my favorite, but really matt has become my favorite by like five that's what?

Speaker 2: 28:24

yeah, a lot of people say that, so maybe they didn't get there in the show.

Speaker 1: 28:27

Matt's got a killer story arc, um, and I hesitate to even call it redemption arc because it's not. It's I mean, maybe there is a little, but it's not redemption. Matt is pushing. Matt pushes the hardest against the fate, right, the fate of, like the wheel, like what everything? Yeah, um, and I don't. I I'm just trying to think. I can't think of a single time where he ever just kicks back and accepts fate, like he fights it tooth and nail the entire way. Um, and that's what makes it interesting to me. Yeah, it's cool and yeah, like he just becomes a solid character. Like I hated matt in book one, like I was like, oh, they just let this guy die. Um, no, I'm dead ass. Like just let him die this whiny little bitch. Like you stole a dagger. Then he grows on you.

Speaker 2: 29:15

Then you're like oh, I actually like him now.

Speaker 1: 29:17

Okay. So maybe there is some redemption, right, but there's some character growth. He has some growth. I still don't want to call it redemption because it doesn't feel like redemption, like it's not. Like he was evil oh no, no, he was evil, shit. Uh. So maybe he was okay. He was not purposefully evil, right, he did not make a choice to go like murder the town of san vaganza or some bullcrap you know, and then like, oh, five thousand years later, I feel bad for being a terrible person. It's not like that. He stole a dagger that turned him um. So, yeah, still to me not a redemption, character growth for sure, but not a red, but that's great writing when you can do that.

Speaker 2: 29:55

Though when you can turn a character, you're just like dude, this guy's obnoxious, I can't stand this character. And you're like, okay, he's kind of cool or you actually really like him. You know that's honestly. Sanderson did it with uh homeboy and miss born. I could not a eland or whatever.

Speaker 2: 30:09

I could not stand him in this land yeah yeah, I'm like dude, this guy's just like he's rich, like he's cool, that he's like doesn't look at sky like slaves, whatever, but like he's not that interesting. And honestly it was a little jarring because by the last book now he's misborn. He's super strong, completely different, which I understand. They needed to do that for that third book because of where it was going. But I do remember, because I read it so back to back like that, that I was very jarred.

Speaker 2: 30:41

I was like I kind of wish I would have saw more of like how did he become? Because he literally went from like you know, had to be protected, constantly dying. Brought him back Next book. It's been a year of war and he's a wholly different character. You didn't really see the transformation, but I did like him in the third book. So I was like, okay, he's pretty much a bad man. I can respect him a little bit. He did some cool stuff. He did some cool stuff. It kind of felt given to him in a way because you know he had the pure pearl, whatever.

Speaker 1: 31:12

It was the thing that made him like the original Mistborn, like stronger than the rest you know, it's kind of like wait till you meet Kaladin, wait till you meet Kaladin and Adolin in uh Stormlight is that a good thing or a bad thing? I cannot wait to hear your character takes on Kaladin and Adolin. Okay, I'll remember those. Um yeah, adolin, you like not a direct comparison to a lind, because he's a born warrior oh yeah, because he was a scholar.

Speaker 1: 31:43

So yeah, yeah, no. But adolin in stormlight, he's a born war, um, but he was also born with a silver spoon. He's royalty, uh. Kaladin, on the other hand, is basically a second class citizen that you know like has to fight for everything. He's got a chip on his shoulder for a long time, like. He pisses me off for quite a while, um. But yeah, like I I want to hear, like, after you read at least one or two of those novels, I, I want to hear your take on whether, because adolin's one of those guys you can hate, and some people never stop hating him, I don't. I like him, I like solid character.

Speaker 2: 32:21

Well-written, so does this one have a chance to be made, or that's he's like no, we're not doing this until I know that I have rights to do this as a show or a movie or something, because you said that this stormlight would be a better series.

Speaker 1: 32:33

Right, like visually visually as a movie, as a live action. Stormlight is the better choice for live action. Um, still be cooler as an anime, but as a live action that would be like if I had to, you know, go through the cosmere and pick um like you can either make this or make this right. Yeah, uh, stormlight would be the one that I would choose to make live action.

Speaker 2: 32:57

I mean there's going to have to be a series that follows the source material and just nails it out of the park, like someone's got to be one of the first. Like I mean they've had obviously successful movies based on books. But like a series that follows a book and actually does it amazing, like I mean, game of thrones did it obviously to the end, but like we have to have something. It's just so weird to me that it's like they just keep wanting to change stuff. Like I just don't, I can't understand it, man I truly, unless it's ego.

Speaker 2: 33:30

I mean, if it's ego, fine. But like how many times do they have to do that, where they just get something canceled like this?

Speaker 1: 33:37

well, that's the thing you are hiring writers for a television that do not give a shit about the source material but that's my point you don't hire those freaking people.

Speaker 2: 33:48

You don't hire those people, you get their right, I love it yeah, but that's not how hollywood works, bro. I know, but know but it should, but it's never going to be. It's going to have to if they ever want to break the mold bro, hollywood isn't merit-based. Hollywood is popularity-based, that's true, but even to that point I mean look what happened to good old Witcher. They were like, hey, you're too obsessed with the sword of Achille.

Speaker 1: 34:18

You're fired. But that's yeah, that's my point the star of the show. He made too much noise. Yeah, they said, be quiet boy, and you know he had just been released from superman. If you're gonna cut a dude, that's the perfect time to do him yeah, and look what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2: 34:26

The the lesser hemsworth is gonna run that show god, you the lesser hemsworth. You're absolutely right, though, like I, like the kid but he, he's not he's not, he's not main, he's not bro what were you in hunger games?

Speaker 1: 34:39

you sucked. Is that the last thing he did?

Speaker 2: 34:41

yeah, he's a decent actor.

Speaker 1: 34:43

He's a decent actor.

Speaker 2: 34:44

He's not leading man material, bro.

Speaker 1: 34:46

I'm sorry he's not what.

Speaker 2: 34:48

He's not gerald gerald, he is not well, I'm not gonna watch it anyway, just because I was already getting annoyed anyway and now I'm gonna protest not watch it, because I actually like henry and you did him dirty and I don't want to support. So I've that kind of bullshit.

Speaker 1: 35:01

Yeah, right that. And I've read the witcher novels and they're doing the character dirty. Yeah, it's just, it's a, it's a lot.

Speaker 2: 35:09

It's another. It's another example, though, of a studio, or nefla, whatever. Well, hey, we're gonna do it this way. Shut up, like there. There's gotta actually funny enough.

Speaker 2: 35:20

Last of us right now is kind of going through this with their second season. People are it's dead, the show is destroyed, and but the first season was pretty good, followed it pretty well, like people really liked it. And I understand the second game. What happens in the second game? No, I mean, it's not a spoiler, who? Everyone knows that what happens. But, like the other, they're adding stuff that people are getting pissed like.

Speaker 2: 35:41

I've actually dropped it. I'm like you know what? I'm out. I'm just not feeling it. I'm not gonna waste my time watching a show now. Funny enough, the first episode was awesome and I was hooked, and then the more went on.

Speaker 2: 35:53

I'm like Ellie's supposed to be full of rage, she's supposed to be wanting to kill every single motherfucker around and she's on a road trip, she's having Joe and she's in college, can't read a map. I'm like I'm out, like I'm just done. I'm not going to support stuff that you're not going to follow it. I just can't, bro, I'm just done. I can't do it anymore. And you know, as a writer, I always wonder, like I would hope that I would have the courage to say if you're not going to do it, I don't want to do whatever movie or series, because you know you're either going to be the Stephen King, and it's horrible and you get two decent adaptions of your stuff, or you're going to be you know what I mean, or you're going to be Sanderson, who's like I'm not doing this unless I know it's going to be done right, I would not be surprised if Sanderson starts his own production company.

Speaker 2: 36:38

He should do it. He's going to have to do it because it's going to take somebody like that that doesn't need the money or want that money that comes from that and like, no, I'm going to adapt my thing the right way. It's going to have to take somebody to just go balls out and just do it and make a giant success.

Speaker 1: 36:56

Should we dive into more things that piss us off?

Speaker 2: 36:59

Oh man, yeah, you start this one, because I know you're itching to get to that, dude, I'm just disappointed.

Speaker 1: 37:05

All right, let's dive into Realm Room. Okay, let's do it. We didn't bring any articles this week, just stuff that's popped off in the fantasy world, or you know.

Speaker 2: 37:14

Yeah, you got the anime one, I got the book one.

Speaker 1: 37:16

Bro, why does solo leveling got to win anime of the year? I love that show, but that's not anime of the year material. You know why. Though, come on, you have to answer. I know why. I know why, and it pisses me off. I expected that the fans of Free Run, the intelligent anime fans, would show up and say this was a better made show, this had a better story, this had better character growth. Anime of the year. Nope, we gave it to the fucking idiot with a knife, and I love the show, but come on, man bro action, action, action, action action we gave it to the aura farmer and that's our farmer.

Speaker 2: 37:52

100, that is what it is, or a farming yeah, look it's but here's my take on that.

Speaker 2: 37:58

Even though you're not gonna like it, at the end of the day I probably agree. Although I need to watch for it and actually finish it, I'm like god about halfway through. I need to continue that. But at the end of the day, I we as a community need the soul leveling stuff, because it's not a manga, it's a manhwa and that stuff needs to get made and not made like T-Bait, made with actually good, and I realized that that is important because that's a breaking the door and thing you know what I mean Like it's breaking down a barrier thing. It's important. Now, are they going to actually do that? I don't know.

Speaker 1: 38:33

Hopefully but I didn't have to give them the award to break the barrier. You broke the barrier as soon as you made the show at the quality level a1 I mean you the quality a1 put into it. You broke the barrier.

Speaker 2: 38:45

We we've opened that wide open you don't have to give them, but there's been plenty of anime that have been amazing first seasons. They literally vanish, and you know that's true sure it is true doesn't mean they don't deserve anime of the year oh yeah, but now it's really hard for them to not finish the story, because how can they not finish so lovely one enemy of the year. Are you guys kidding me?

Speaker 1: 39:04

come on, finish the damn anime and honestly I feel like that's why everybody voted for it. I think that's probably why even more like there would have been an announcement the next season, maybe people would have felt comfortable. Brody, you remember when the last episode of Solo Loving dropped, I texted you and I was literally like that was series ending, kind of ending. That wasn't season ending, ender. That was like we're never coming back to this material, ender, which is just ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 39:33

Like why in the world, would you not? It's been the highest rated thing which, again, there still hasn't been an announcement. There's not gonna be for a while, and I'm gonna point this out. When dragon ball super ended okay, it had the biggest fucking ratings crashed the internet when goku fought jiren, everyone was like all right, cool, and they've never announced another series and I think it's been seven or eight years. I think it ended like seven years ago or something. And there's more story. There was manga that there's like there's like three more arcs or something that they could do and they've never announced it. They made this freaking one where he's a kid again for some reason, you know, but like, so I don't know if that's what solo level is gonna do. Maybe people are freaked out and that's maybe that's part of it?

Speaker 2: 40:18

I, I don't know I don't know I'm just irritated again yeah, you wish there was action anime of the year fantasy production.

Speaker 1: 40:25

I mean, give it anything else. Production quality of the year like I like it best fighting like best uh best choreography. Like there are so many other categories that you that show other than anime of the year I just think not enough people watch freerun.

Speaker 2: 40:42

That's probably what it is. No, I don't think it is that I know, I don't.

Speaker 1: 40:47

It's too bad. There's a bunch of 12 year olds using every single device in their house to vote 58 million times emails multipleails, multiple emails, yeah that's what happened.

Speaker 2: 40:56

All right, so let's go. So you got mad about that. Let's talk about some book stuff, which I'm surprised you weren't. I think you knew a little bit, maybe, well, maybe you didn't Did you know anything.

Speaker 1: 41:04

No, I knew nothing about this.

Speaker 2: 41:06

You got to hit me with the rest of this because I was this is bad, so, and I think his name's Luke, something, jacob or whatever Some name, but anyway, this dude I guess was on the Bachelor and he's handsome, which obviously you would be if you're on the show. Cool.

Speaker 1: 41:22

Whatever, that's minus two points already.

Speaker 2: 41:24

We're all happy. You're handsome, whatever man, and he goes on TikTok or BookTok, I should say and he starts talking about fantasy series and different books he loves and he loves fantasy and blah, blah, blah. Great, I'm with you, bro, we all do. We literally have a podcast, I get it, and I'm not hating on him because the dream come true. I mean, nobody's really hating on him, but they're hating on the industry. So what happens is he goes over a concept that he has for a book or a trilogy or whatever two books, and makes TikTok videos, videos. And because he's got a large following, because he's, you know, already kind of famous, he gets a two book deal from a publisher and, uh, without even, apparently not even, having the book done or half done, apparently it's in concept stage is what people are saying. And, um, as a writer, a self-published person, obviously I am happy for the dude, because it's a dream to get published.

Speaker 2: 42:15

But but it's also a slap in the face it's a slap in your face, man, because you know if you're writing it's taking years, and I mean it's anyone who writes knows like this is hard to do this and to get a book without even gabbing, just having a concept it must be nice. It must be fucking nice, brother, because okay, does he?

Speaker 1: 42:38

is he any kind of published writer, like even a?

Speaker 2: 42:40

blog, not that I've seen or heard. I've only heard that he was on the bachelor and he talked about a concept and then announced a book deal and then I think he tried to make a video to smooth it over but it came off kind of tone deaf and you know, it's weird. But here's the weird thing with this right. The weird thing with this is like it's not even that people are mad at him particularly.

Speaker 1: 43:03

Yeah, sure they're mad at the situation.

Speaker 2: 43:04

slash freaking publishing, because this is exactly what it is. They don't, and I'll tell you, because when I submitted, a lot of this is do you have a following? Oh, maybe we'll publish. It's a popularity contest now.

Speaker 2: 43:18

But here's what's bad. At least be honest about it. The publishing industry likes to pretend oh, it's about the work, not the popularity. That's their talking point. But reality is it is about the followers and it is about your social media following and how many know how many views you get, and all that. Obviously, it makes more sense if you're popular and you get a book deal, you probably will sell more books. Nobody's saying business doesn't make sense here, but what?

Speaker 1: 43:41

we're kind of saying is you should at least have a published book first.

Speaker 2: 43:44

You should at least have it done. Is it done, is it?

Speaker 1: 43:48

done? Is it out? Are you a good writer? Are you a good writer? Are you gonna ghost write this? Well, no, no, that's exactly what I was gonna say, because that's how this is gonna go. They're gonna ghost write this thing, uh, and they're just gonna put his name on it and it's gonna be a. It's gonna be a gag. It's gonna be a gag. The book may or may not be good, it's not gonna be long. You said it's a two book deal. Apparently it's a two book deal. You're not telling much of a story in two books. So he either doesn't have a great concept or who knows, bro, I don't know. I'll look into it more, but honestly, like again, it's not hate towards this guy, it's hate towards the way the industry is set up, like I don't know.

Speaker 2: 44:25

Well, and it's also the hypocrisy, right, because like, it's one thing to be like, deal with it, you're popular, we're going to do that. It's one thing to have the nerve to stand up as an industry and say that, it's different for you to pretend that it's about the story. But then what story has a concept? It's not even a written book. It'd be one thing. If he's like hey, I actually have a book that I wrote.

Speaker 1: 44:50

People would still be annoyed.

Speaker 2: 44:51

We'd still be kind of mad, but at least least you have it done for you to have a concept of a book or a rough draft of a book and get a two book deal and, by the way, it could be the best damn written thing in the world. It's gonna get destroyed because people are gonna be pissed. They're gonna, they're gonna review, bomb.

Speaker 1: 45:08

It is what's gonna happen I mean so I don't some places. Sure, yeah, on's going to get reviewed.

Speaker 2: 45:13

No, it's not 4chan man. This is like all over BookTok it's huge, it's a huge deal dude.

Speaker 1: 45:19

My point, though, is it'll be like it'll be still be like a New York Times number one bestselling book, and then it'll get review bombed on places like BookTok.

Speaker 2: 45:29

He's going to buy the amount of copies secretly to get it on the new.

Speaker 1: 45:32

We don't know for sure that that's the way that works.

Speaker 2: 45:35

We suspect I've seen a lot just saying again. I'm just playing the devil's advocate I don't know, bro, I look I haven't done it, so I don't know. I'm just saying I've heard that it does kind of make some sense. But I will say for this dude, like you know, I hope this might be.

Speaker 2: 45:52

It might be the this you know the sword that cuts both ways situation here, because, okay, it's cool, you got that, but like people are going to take out their frustration on you because you're the one who got this for not earning it, sorry, it's the case right yet and it better be a great book and I hope you don't ghostwrite it, because people are going to figure it out.

Speaker 1: 46:11

People are crazy, like I said.

Speaker 2: 46:13

I hope he's got thick skin. Yeah, I mean, it might not be the dream. He thinks it is because people are. They're not. This is the kind of thing that people don't let go, because it just points to like the famous privilege bullshit stuff. You know what I mean? Like come on.

Speaker 1: 46:27

It is what it is. We live in a Hollywood world. I mean, we live in social media. We live in social media times. What are we doing right now? We're recording a podcast, putting it out there. We're not famous, but that doesn't matter. We're like we're participating in this. We can't complain that much.

Speaker 2: 46:43

Hey look, it is what it is, man, if it blows up, it blows up. Good luck. I'm just saying as an author. It is kind of like dude, come on buddy. Yeah, keep it a secret. You should have waited for a while, at least have it done, for sure. Dude, like at least, yeah, be done. Like, oh, I wrote this thing and then not like I have a vague idea of a concept. Publishing deal, publishing deal. Yeah, man, it's been a great episode for sure, dude.

Speaker 1: 47:09

Yeah, I got a good one for you this week, man, I got a good hot take Okay. Fantasy prologues Do you skip them or do you read them?

Speaker 2: 47:17

How do you skip it? That is exactly what I said, Dude.

Speaker 1: 47:21

there's an entire crowd of people on Reddit that are like I don't have time for prologues, like bro, you're missing all the context for shit that happens.

Speaker 2: 47:31

12 books later. Bro, you don't have time to read a book? Sit your ass down. What are you talking about? That's crazy.

Speaker 1: 47:36

To be fair, Brandon Sanderson writes some very long prologues. Oh well, but they're amazing. They're amazing.

Speaker 2: 47:45

That's a wild. I would never have thought that people would A not read the prologue and then B be like, well, I don't have the time. And then be be like, well, I don't have the time.

Speaker 1: 47:56

Well, that sounds like you don't know how to read fast it sounds like a personal problem, but it sounds like you weren't interested in this book at all buddy, that's like skipping the first 25 minutes of a movie and be like well I don't have the time and not understanding what's going on.

Speaker 2: 48:06

That's wild.

Speaker 1: 48:07

This is, this is the exact same thing as skipping a morgan freeman voiceover at the beginning of a movie like bro you shut your mouth like I mean you go back and that's like not reading an epilogue or nothing. That's crazy, I've never not read an epilogue, but at least that makes more sense than not reading the prologue yeah, dude, the prologue is set up.

Speaker 2: 48:29

You gotta know that's crazy.

Speaker 1: 48:30

Hey, if you're not reading prologues, out there, grow up or please tell me why you don't read prologues other than I don't have time Because, let's face it, stormlight Way of Kings. I already told Jordan that's double prologued, that's got two prologues before chapter one even begins. But if you're skipping the prologue to read the book. That book is huge. Why not just take the extra hour to read the prologue? And it's not an hour, but my point stands.

Speaker 1: 48:59

You're going to spend 50, 60 hours reading this book, but you can't spare 30 minutes for the prologue.

Speaker 2: 49:05

Bro, but you didn't read the full book, then Sorry. Yeah, exactly, you don't get to count that.

Speaker 1: 49:09

You missed something? I don't know, bro.

Speaker 2: 49:12

Prologues are the best written parts of books, I think Well that's really the thing that's supposed to hook you into the book to begin with. To skip it is insane. That's crazy. Okay, all right, you blew my mind, I'm done, I give up. That's crazy.

Speaker 1: 49:24

Yeah, no, I'm out dude. I was like I, you people come from, but just stop, how dare you somebody wrote I gotta delete my account before I get infected with this crazy wow all right, hey, read the prologue, people.

Speaker 2: 49:46

I'm a writer, I'm read the prologue.

Speaker 1: 49:48

It's important well, speaking of prologues, I got an epilogue for you if you enjoy our deep dives and chill fantasy chats, make sure you're following Realm Jumpers on your favorite podcast app. Drop us a rating or review. It helps more fantasy fans find the show and if you want to support us directly, head over to realmjumperspodcastcom to join our growing community. Have a good night, thank you.