Speaker 1: 0:05

Welcome to Realm Jumpers. I'm Andrew and this is my co-host, jordan.

Speaker 2: 0:09

Hey everyone. We're here to dive into the worlds of fantasy and anime, bringing you epic stories and unforgettable adventures.

Speaker 1: 0:16

We'll be talking world building, unforgettable villains and everything that makes these genres legendary. So let's jump into the Realm and everything that makes these genres legendary. So let's jump into the realm. Tonight we're kicking back and diving into our favorite fantasy tropes, the ones we never get tired of, the ones we'll defend to the death, and maybe a few that make us grown, but still secretly, From epic tavern scenes to overpowered mentors, Mysteria's past. We're talking about the story beats that keep us coming back to the genre again and again oh yeah, there's.

Speaker 2: 0:47

Uh, this fun story beats how you doing bud I'm chilling.

Speaker 1: 0:50

It's been a good week. So you know, here we are. Uh, I'm ready to record fantasy stuff. You know it's it's obviously yeah, uh, this is, yeah, probably one of my favorite times of the week. I definitely won't say the favorite, otherwise I might get my kids might disown me.

Speaker 2: 1:07

You get in trouble. It's the, it is. It's up there, right, it's top five. No, it's good.

Speaker 1: 1:12

It's definitely up there. It's definitely up there and there's no shame in that. It's fun, dude. So shall we dive into the main topic? Yes, man, let's, uh, let's jump on the first one. It looks like a fantasy tavern, yeah, I mean. So the fantasy tavern, right, every single series that I can think of fantasy related high fantasy, low fantasy, light novels, manga, anime they all have a fantasy tavern, right, just absolutely. It's like it's a quintessential, it's the quintessential, it's like one of the quintessential backdrops of any fantasy story. Um, it so many series makes it work. Well, too, it's not just about having the fantasy in or the fantasy tavern, but it's just so many stories make it work. Right, wheel of time, you've got so many clutch scenes that happen in, you know, in one in or another. Um, from the show to the books. I'm primarily, you know, going off of the books here, but I can think of several, you know, scenes from the show that were key moments for some of the characters.

Speaker 2: 2:12

I mean dude in Mistborn like they plan the downfall of the final empire. Yes, and they're drinking beer In the tavern when they're getting drunk and making Matt, like you know, drawing on the thing and this and this.

Speaker 1: 2:31

you know so a hundred percent. Um, it's super important, man. Yeah, no, it has to be right, I don't know. And again, it's just, it's everywhere. You look Right and like Lord of the Rings, aragorn or Aragorn, you know that scene. Um, at the prancing pony, when, when the uh, when the hobbits first show up at the, at the end, you know Aragorn's just chilling over there in the corner with a cloak on his head, which, by the way, that kicks into one of my other tropes later.

Speaker 2: 2:51

Wait, wait, was he aura maxing, as the kids say? Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:56

Was he aura farming he was kind of hiding.

Speaker 2: 2:59

I mean, he's hiding.

Speaker 1: 3:00

But the hood, you know what you're doing, man. You know Aragorn's one character that I could almost say doesn't aura form, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 3:08

there's something about the dude with the freaking hood just chilling in the corner. You know he's a badass, you know. You just feel it. It's there. It's always the hoodie right, it's the hoodie man. We need cloaks. Bring back cloaks.

Speaker 1: 3:20

Right and then. So another one for me that really, where it really plays a key, key importance it's pretty much the entire story is the Kingkiller Chronicles. I don't think you've read that yet.

Speaker 2: 3:31

I'll get you to it eventually.

Speaker 1: 3:33

Okay, giving anything away to say this, but he's telling the story of his past life, and by his past life I mean, you know the past five years. So he's telling it from a tavern. That's kind of cool, oh yeah. And then when you drop back into the younger version of the character, there are so many of the most important scenes happen in a tavern or an inn that you can literally um, it's, I don't know. 50% of the book happens in an inn or a tavern, and it's still interesting.

Speaker 1: 4:09

It might not be that high. But by the end of the time, by the end of the books, when you tab them up, you're like, wow, most of the important shit happened in an inn.

Speaker 2: 4:20

Well, hey, I guess it's a trope for a reason then, huh, we're not sick of it, we're eating it up.

Speaker 1: 4:25

No, yeah, I mean I don't know, it's just got to be there. It's one of those things that has to be there.

Speaker 2: 4:30

You know, I never sat there and thought about how many, and now, when you're bringing this up, I'm like there really is a lot that happens in taverns.

Speaker 2: 4:39

There truly is a lot of pivotal moments, even battles. I mean now that I'm even thinking about it. In one of the books I just finished, the Devils by Joe Abercrombie, there's an awesome tavern battle scene in it. It's like one of the first ones in the book and it was brutal and crazy. I'm like, okay, yeah, all right, well, that's good to know, it's good to check that box. I think the one man, it's just it's, it's like it's important and you need it for emotional damage purposes, but as a reader, it's always like man, how are you gonna take the coolest character out the game? You know what I mean and I I almost wonder like and sometimes I'm sure you felt this where they get rid of that character and you're just like I like what's going on, but like I would have liked it more if you're still like I like what's going on, but like I would have liked it more if you're still alive. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 5:28

One of those situations yeah, the mentor dies for emotional damage is fantasy staple dude I I.

Speaker 2: 5:34

There's not many series I can think of where it doesn't happen yeah, I mean, and even in, I mean anime, out out the ass. You see it too all the time and yeah, freaking uh Kamina from uh Gurren Lagann and but the thing is like they have to like the, the, the main character, if, if they can't meet, you know, the mentor characters, cool and the factor I still, it's always a little bit of a minus for me. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 6:02

Yeah, this and this is why I said it that way the mentor dies for emotional damage, because it's not always for actual plots. There are series where it's literally just they're stacking on the emotional damage to screw with you.

Speaker 2: 6:17

Yeah, you see that and then you'll see, sometimes the mentor character's too strong or too cool and you're like they're overshadowing the main character. Is too strong or too cool and you're like they're overshadowing the main character, I don't know, it happens a lot, I feel. I don't think I've ever seen a series where the main character is cooler than the mentor.

Speaker 1: 6:32

And for anybody's that thinking about this and they're doubting me I let's run down some of the lists. You know what I mean For sure. First off, gandalf.

Speaker 2: 6:46

Lord of the ranks highly emotionally damaged the entire party. He's boring kelsey from mistborn dude to this day. As cool as vin is by the last book, badass girl, here was the man.

Speaker 1: 6:50

He's just cooler, I'm sorry you know who else we got? We got more rain from uh wheel of time. Oh, yeah, yeah, and you know this is definitely a huge spoiler. Okay, so she's not perma dead, but that doesn't matter. Like everybody thinks she's dead, it's still dead. You know a little. And then tom marilyn, also from wheel of time, again not perma dead, but everybody thinks he's dead and it affects the character. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I mean you know go, joe.

Speaker 2: 7:20

I mean it goes on and not you just. It's just, it's part of the game, but it's just. Sometimes I do feel it's a minus, though you know I get it that almost went under tropes. That kind of make me go it just so it can, for sure, but it depends on how well it's pulled off and if the other characters step up to the plate in a way that you feel like is good enough. So it's fallen a couple of times into that for me. Where I'm like man, it's just I get it.

Speaker 1: 7:51

But yeah you know which series like I don't know off the cuff, which series does that fall short for?

Speaker 2: 7:59

So so I have a book one and I have an anime. So the book one, I love Mistborn man, I love it, I love the character, but him being taken out of the story like that super important to the series, super important to the story, like I get it, but it did feel like a level down of like the excitement factor of reading the book because he was such a cool, interesting character and he wasn't really a good guy like I mean, not really. He's kind of terrible. Yeah, he's like just murdering whoever noble he wants. Um, and I get vin's, the main character and she's here ages. Well, whatever, I'm not gonna spoil that anyway it I get it.

Speaker 1: 8:36

You roll into that book thinking kelsey is the hero you do.

Speaker 2: 8:39

And then when he dies you're like, okay, but like vin's, nowhere near as cool as him and she kind of has to spend two books and she ends up getting stronger, but she doesn't have the that I mean. You know he had the whole crew like he was the leader. She never really became the leader of the crew. In my opinion, she was always like the head strong I'm going to do it my way but she was never like the charismatic leader. You know what I mean. And it never really. And she didn't become that. Not that she had to, but that to me I always was like man. I I wish she would have stayed. I don't know, I don't know man it was. It was just it's hurt, he died. I was like damn it.

Speaker 1: 9:17

You know I was shocked.

Speaker 2: 9:18

I was like yo he just died. What is happening?

Speaker 1: 9:21

that one messed with me hard, honestly, because, like I said I, you go into that book expecting kelsey, or, and then you're like they killed him what?

Speaker 2: 9:29

why is he dead?

Speaker 1: 9:29

like he's coming back the next book, right. And then you're like and then no, what, what?

Speaker 2: 9:35

yeah, no, yeah, it was. Uh, yeah, that was what. And then my anime one. I mean, it's an easy take gojo, like he's so cool he's on my freaking shirt. He's so cool like poor yuji, like I like him. He's the king of hands, he loves punching. But he's not as cool like it's. I'm sorry, you're never gonna be that charismatic, cool character. And you know gojo's just his powers are cool. He's just a cool. You know he's got personality for days. He's cocky like the dude's just a good character and he definitely overshadowed every character in that series right I?

Speaker 1: 10:10

I think that was the only way they could nerf joe, a little like they have to nerf this guy we just got to kill him.

Speaker 2: 10:16

You got to get rid of him because he's just his, his. Him being alive is guaranteeing the good guys are going to win, no matter what there's's like, not even a question. You know what I mean, type thing. But yeah, what about for you?

Speaker 1: 10:30

I actually can't think of any right off my head. Wow, that one usually doesn't piss me off that bad Like it throws me for a loop. I question reality, but it doesn't usually. It doesn't usually make me go. Man, this was poorly written.

Speaker 2: 10:44

Well, that's the thing. I don't know if they're poorly written, I think it's just you, just as a reader and a fan, disappointed a little bit. You know what I mean. But that's good If you're that connected to the character and they get rid of them and it's not a lame way or whatever. And the story does proceed. And Calciers, he loomed large in the rest of that book I got one I got one eddard, stark game of thrones.

Speaker 1: 11:07

Oh dude, you know what? I felt solid he was just killed for the sake of killing dude.

Speaker 2: 11:14

I I never, I never read it. So when I watched that first season I went in blind and I watched that when I was like what you just decapitated this dude like this, like who's the main character.

Speaker 1: 11:27

His sons never stepped up to the plate.

Speaker 2: 11:29

I mean, they never filled the hole of his character. You know that's a good one, dude, because that was pretty shocking and it was kind of like did it really add anything? I guess it started the war, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'd still love to see a series about him younger, during the rebellion, that'd be dope, be good, uh, well, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 11:50

It's I. If you make a story about edard stark, young robert is gonna take the main stage. I think, like I don't think that's fine, I don't even care.

Speaker 2: 11:57

A young edard stark story without robert is gonna take the main stage. I think like I don't think that's fine, I don't care young edard.

Speaker 1: 12:00

Stark story without robert taking the main stage, and let him just have them both.

Speaker 2: 12:05

Whatever, I want to see that war play out, man it would be fine, that could be good that could be good.

Speaker 1: 12:10

No, they're gonna run that brain to the ground. I don't care about reading a book about that, but at least put out like a one hit series, like, just do a one bro, one season, it would be cool as shit. Man don't try, don't try to stretch it out. Don't ruin it and try to stretch it out. Just do 10 episodes of like these two guys, perfect everybody murdering everyone else giant civil war like murder hobo on the entire country absolutely war, battle.

Speaker 2: 12:34

Move it along, let's fucking go. I I hope they make it, I don't know the next one. I mean you just made that up, you're? You're itching the uh, bleep, my love, my love for bleach, here with magic swords, with names.

Speaker 1: 12:45

I mean, come on man so that's another one that just like that's fantasy. Right, you can't, you gotta have an excalibur dude. Uh, you know, calendar from wheel of time. You know you have to have the sword name, which, by the way, nightblood from warbreaker. I know it's a completely separate novel, but nightblood is also in stormlight. So when you get to the portions with nightblood, the sword nightblood, it's a freaking sentient being and it's snarky as hell.

Speaker 1: 13:14

Dude, that's great that's awesome, thirsty and yeah, that's great so you've got a bloodthirsty maniac that's just like give me blood kill more people.

Speaker 2: 13:23

Yeah, I'm all in on that. Yeah, the sword thing is legit, man, that's it elevates it immediately. When I started reading this one uh, stormlight I was like, oh, they got cool swords. There's powers, they got names.

Speaker 1: 13:35

I'm like, oh man, this is cool and then you know, like lord of the rings, every single sword and knife in that show hasn't. That's a name and a history, and a history, 400 years yeah or we have deed of rights for this sword place yeah, it's, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 13:52

I like the next one, though man, the, uh, the desert mountain tribe people like, and they're just badass like every time, like no, no, they all know how to fight, they're, they're deadly with a pencil, everything whatever, like it doesn't matter, they're gonna kill you. And they're not gonna be smiled because they don't have emotions usually. This is the john wick of the desert people that it's a great trope, because when you, when you listed, I started reading, I'm like, oh yep, check, check, check, check, check yeah, all these series, yeah.

Speaker 1: 14:21

So do you have a favorite tribe? Desert people, that's like the op tribe the op tribe.

Speaker 2: 14:27

Uh, let's see, I would probably say, oh man, for me it's a toss-up between the hidden sand village and the ish volans and full metal alchemist. But the thing with the ish volans is I give them a lot of points because they're just straight balls, because they didn't even have alchemists. Really. The freaking other dudes show up throwing fire and making hands of stone and they're just like shooting pistols and shit, like I give them like we have religion.

Speaker 2: 14:54

We have religion and we're gonna shoot you like cool and they're like cool, I'm gonna what the bomb guy remember he can like it's, it's, it's out of control.

Speaker 1: 15:00

Fire like they still are right if they just named him scar did he actually have a name in the sea.

Speaker 2: 15:06

I know he had a name, but I don't remember his name, but I think that character was definitely really a cool character because he's like the lastest fall, freaking, genocidedocided everybody and he's just like I'm going to kill as many alchemists as I can because you people blew my country out, so let's go. Yeah, I think they would be one of my favorites. And then, for sure, you know the hidden sand village man. You know, gar is cool. I'm sorry he's a little psycho, but they live in the desert. What do you want?

Speaker 1: 15:34

man, there's. No, yeah, there's no grass like it's terrible.

Speaker 1: 15:38

For me it's the aiel and you know, wheel of time, um, and I gotta say for everybody that only watched the show and never seen the series, or they've only watched the show and has never read the series, man, they get so much more op and it's just, it's great, um, I love it. That should be my answer, right, but my real answer is the tribe. I've written into my own story that I wasn't even thinking about that. I made an OP desert tribe and I was like, well, there you go, check more. It would be Wheel of Time, the Aiel, they're, so they're, I don't know. Find me a better tribe of perfect killers that are also like poetic. They're like the Irish, japanese samurai of the desert, which makes no sense.

Speaker 2: 16:29

Yeah, yeah, because the Freedmen weren't like that in Dune. They were cool, the Freedmen were just straight up mercs, yeah Me.

Speaker 1: 16:36

You know what I mean. Like that's the way I. Like they were just hard. People I yield were hard, but also they were poetic and yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 16:43

Yeah, absolutely well, I see your next one.

Speaker 1: 16:45

You're right about the uh royal team disguise dude, I mean, okay, so I didn't even, I didn't even specifically come with like examples on this, because just just let me paint you a little picture. You have an encounter, you're you're the main character, whatever setting this is anime, fantasy, whatever you're walking down the street and you bump into a shadowed character wearing a hood and you knock over their belongings and they quickly run away, immediately. That's royalty and that happens so often. That scenario happens so often, and even in smaller ways.

Speaker 1: 17:20

Right, aragorn in you know, sitting in the end with his hood, like not telling anybody at home. You know, like I'm royalty, he's royalty, it happens all the time. So, yeah, I didn't come with like specific examples for this one, because that one's just such a it could be grown by the way, depending on how it's that one's just such a it could be grown, by the way, depending on how it's handled.

Speaker 2: 17:41

Yeah, it could be a grown one.

Speaker 1: 17:42

It can definitely be done wrong and you roll your eyes at it for sure. But you know between anime, manga and just regular fantasy, although I I will say it's probably more prevalent in anime.

Speaker 2: 17:53

Oh yeah and it's always the. It's the princess, queen, harem number one in the harem girl. Every, every time, every time. Oh, that's the one. I don't even know who you are. Ok, all right, here we go. Here we go with the trope.

Speaker 1: 18:09

Yeah, sometimes you have to team up with them later.

Speaker 2: 18:11

Absolutely, you have to team up with them or protect them or take them somewhere, or hey, I have a magic item, or yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could see it. Yeah, this next one, though I mean it's kind of like the foundation of like every.

Speaker 1: 18:23

it is the foundation for everything it's the foundation for every fantasy story and yet, at the same time, it is the trope that makes me groan the most often, because the reluctant, chosen bro that's every single story period hands down, no matter what wheel of time. Check, lord of the rings, double check, you got multiple heroes that don't want to be. Um, what else are we going with? I?

Speaker 1: 18:46

mean miss stormlight check miss born, check every single anime, that's not, you know like just about every isekai anime. Same same thing. Oh, I landed here. I've got a crap load of power. I don't really want to be, I don't want to do anything, right? Yeah, I just want to relax, I go hide. You know, there's a reason that persists and this is where it's not done as well, right, when you've got like, oh, chilling in another world with my op skills at level two like bro. I hate the titles bro I get it.

Speaker 1: 19:16

You don't want to be the hero.

Speaker 2: 19:18

They're always so so long. Just shorten that up, dude. It's always they're like getting longer and that actually is probably a fricking anime right now.

Speaker 1: 19:27

Ironically, getting longer.

Speaker 2: 19:28

Yeah, it's like, it's like yeah, why are we adding a full paragraph for titles? Well, yeah, woke up, another world stubbed my toe. I'm level nine, but my revive is level 15. It's like, bro, what are we? What are we talking about, dude? Can we just have like reborn another, like just cut that down to like four words, man, that's the new thing, though it was never like that before you. Growing up, I don't remember anime with like super long titles like no, I will not really did two words no, I can't.

Speaker 1: 19:56

I can't think of any, I'm just saying I can't have access to read the original title, you know it's not like we yeah, you're right about that you didn't have the same access back then that's probably what it is.

Speaker 2: 20:05

That's probably dragon ball z's actual title I think it is dragon ball z, but I think they're sure it's, not 85 words. Uh, I know attack on titan has a different title the search for seven golden balls that make wishes bro, I'm dead but you know what, though? You're absolutely right, because it can be so just obnoxious and just lame, but then it could be amazing. But a lot of times you're like, just once, can we get someone who's like, yeah, I'm the freaking hero and I'm gonna own it just be cocky about it.

Speaker 1: 20:37

I, I can, I don't know, let me, let me think here. Let me.

Speaker 2: 20:41

I'm sure somebody's done this for a second.

Speaker 1: 20:43

Someone has to have done this dude, because I'm thinking maybe and this is relatively and it's more like a progression lit fantasy type of thing so written. Well, he who fights with monsters, homie's not really reluctant about it at all, like I mean, maybe sometimes he's reluctant, but for the most part he's just like cool superpowers, let's go kill shit I mean the uh arthur from uh slideshow oh well, yeah, okay, no, you're right, he's not reluctant at all he's like no chance, let's, let's live actually no, I gotta take that back.

Speaker 1: 21:19

When you get later on down the road, when you come into the war, when that, when you get to the actual he's like don't put me in charge of this stuff uh, well, that makes sense.

Speaker 2: 21:27

He already kind of played that role once, right the king role.

Speaker 1: 21:30

No, I well, he just wants to take his family and run.

Speaker 2: 21:33

I actually that's the like. That show is so interesting because I hate the anime style of it Like God. But I really like I'm going to just keep watching it. But I don't know what it is. It's not super special but it does blend a lot of cool stuff in different ways. I do like that, I mean you're already reading.

Speaker 1: 21:50

Just read the book, not even the webtoon, and that's good Stunning art, but just read the books, yeah yeah, I may have to.

Speaker 2: 22:03

I like the character a lot.

Speaker 1: 22:05

He's, he's cool he's gonna be happy, he's a lot. So this next one and this one pisses me off a lot. This one, it it does usually work, but all it, this probably pisses me off more than any other thing in fantasy that I can think of. Um, the found family, and here's the reason why this, all the time they it's a lazy, it's a lazy get around, it's a lazy work around for character can be. Because you know, there are so many stories out there where anime, light novel, whatever high fantasy, there are so many stories out there where it's just like we're family now and then nobody really grows, there's no introspection, nobody grows.

Speaker 1: 22:46

Like like here, like I'll paint you two different pictures, right, and I don't know if you read lord of the rings or not, but um, you know, you got legolas and gimli, the. You know like opposites, right, you got an elf in the drawer. They spend, they spend the. You know, like opposites, right, you get an elf and a dwarf, they spend, they spend the entire series. You know, first from insulting to realizing they have. You know, there's a grudging respect to to like actively looking out for each other, but not like vocalizing it. To finally like hey, we're friendly rivals and now we're going gonna travel the world together. We're gonna go everywhere together. Now that the story is over, now we got a separate picture and I love sanderson, but you get miss born. He introduces the entire crew. They're, you're kind of introduced as found family. We're all in this together, but then really they're kind of just there to support kelsear's insanity. Like you know, they're there as a running commentary on whatever insane thing kelsear has chosen to do, and they, they keep saying that too.

Speaker 2: 23:45

They're like we really, you know we should really rein him in. You know they kind of like they keep bringing it up but nobody ever really does it. And you know, what's interesting about that is that while when the few of them do get killed as you go along and you're just like I don't care because you have no like, you don't have any kind of bond with it, with with a lot of them. But some of the side characters. And then in the last book, when it goes to the kid who's um starts wearing the tin eye kid I can't think of his name right now I, I'm not gonna remember that, right yeah yeah it focuses on.

Speaker 2: 24:19

He's like a main character of the third book and I'm like I mean, I remember him, but like he was never important at all, literally. And then he's like he's literally a huge part of the last book no-transcript don't care and I agree with you, it didn't never felt like, even then when he dies, like yeah, vin's still around with everybody, but like they don't. I didn't feel like they loved her, I guess, but they didn't love her like a little sister. It kind of was just like you were Kelsey's protege, so like and you're the strongest one around, so we need you and we're going to be cool and they all like each other. I never felt the family vibe dude, only her. I felt that vibe.

Speaker 1: 25:15

This is where you insert the Vin Diesel family meme. I felt that vibe. This is where you insert the Vin Diesel family meme Family, because that's the vibe I get from most of them. I will paint you another picture of a story, a series. You should also read Blood Song by Anthony Ryan. So this kid gets ganked away from. Well, okay, rephrase this kid in some medieval world. His dad drops him off at this rando castle at the very beginning of the story and once you get to the prologue right, I'm talking like once you get to his dad drops him off this rando castle and he's supposed to become like a brother of the Sixth Order, which is basically some like version of monk versus like a monk slash like greatest warriors ever trained. Because that's what happens. They throw these boys together in this group, like it's like a mix of spartan training. I was gonna say it sounds like yeah, yeah it's like a mix of spartan training and some other things, like they teach them to thief.

Speaker 1: 26:13

You know they teach them to be thieves, but also you get your ass beat if you get caught. Um, you know they teach them to fight. They teach them to kill and, more important, you know, most importantly, they teach them to watch each other's backs. That is a found family, because by late in the book or Bloodsong, the first book of the series, you know they really feel their brother's actions when something is not done right or they go against code. You know that's really felt and you know you feel that in the bonds. You feel that in the book, in the way it's written and it's just, it's done very well, but for the most part the found family stuff yeah, you really gotta, you gotta do it right like the again the devils, it's like a month.

Speaker 2: 26:54

They're all monsters, they're all selfish, literal monsters, a lot of them. But you get this like villain slash, suicide squad thing where they actually kind of do like each other. It's kind of what you were saying with, like Legolas, like they do respect each other as the story goes on, because they're only alive because of each other by the end of the book. So it is, you're right, you have to really do it, and no one ever calls each other family in that book. But yeah, absolutely I'm with you on that.

Speaker 1: 27:27

All right, homie. What do we family? What do we have? What do we got for Realm Rumors this week?

Speaker 2: 27:32

So we got some cool ones. One of the more interesting ones and fun ones is Jujutsu Kaisen is ranked number two on the New York Times June bestseller list in the graphic novels and comic and manga category. It's pretty, it's pretty dope.

Speaker 1: 27:49

So I know, I know about the new york time bestseller list, but uh, historically what are there? Is this like the first manga to hit um?

Speaker 2: 27:58

I don't think it's on. I think they have a separate list for comics. Actually, I don't think it's as part of, like, the novel stuff. I'm sure they, I'm sure they do, I'm sure everyone has done it, but this one is um, specifically, uh, graphic novels and stuff. That's number two. Number five is chainsaw man, so one of the volumes, um, and the number 15 is another volume of just two kaizen. So, like everyone knows, it's very popular in america for sure, for sure I sure thought this was gonna mention solo.

Speaker 2: 28:29

I thought that's where we're no, it's not, at least not in june. But you know they do have the books I mean and the. They even have the webtoon books too, they've I mean the books are solid.

Speaker 2: 28:39

Dude the books are solid I I enjoyed them yeah, they're good, and our other one is, uh, dan dan season two. That's just not out yet. They had an anime theatrical screening and it earned five milli. I mean that's pretty cool, man. It's not a bad amount of money for just an episode or two of the anime. So I mean it's not out yet, obviously no yeah, that's not a bad deal.

Speaker 1: 29:01

Um well, in anime always does limited theatrical release too. This wasn't like it opened everywhere yeah, it was very limited.

Speaker 2: 29:08

Um, and it's funny because I I think it's good that they can do stuff like this or animated movies and make some money. I think that's cool. But where it's not cool is where, like demon slayer, the last part of it is gonna be movies. So you're either gonna have to go see it or wait for it to come out, or whatever I don't know. Um, I don't particularly like the idea that a series that's come, that's out, is then gonna do movies at the end to try to milk out money. I don't know if I don't really like that that much. I like that, my hero. They do their own stories for the movie and they are actually canon to the story, um, and are mentioned later with other characters in the actual series. You'll see that, um, but I'm not a big fan of demon slayer. Like hey, the climax of the whole story. We're only doing movies, so go to the movie theater to see it or you can wait a year.

Speaker 1: 29:56

It's kind of lame yeah, is the the dandy dan one? Is that canon or is that just yeah?

Speaker 2: 30:02

it's. I think it's literally like the first couple episodes of season two that's gonna come out. They just released it early in the movie theater and people wanted to see it.

Speaker 1: 30:09

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is whatever they made money dude, well, the demon slayer did this before with the uh, mugen train thing.

Speaker 2: 30:18

Oh so demon slayer started it. Well, they did the demon, the mugen train thing and then it made money and then they released it as an ep, as episodes. So, like you know, that's fine. But you know, to just say, hey, we're actually not gonna make the last season, we're just gonna do like movies, it's kind of crazy where was I mean so for like the longest time.

Speaker 1: 30:38

It's like for me, you think, anime movie, not canon, and that's always been my thought, you know, because like the naruto stuff was any of that canon besides like only the last right, I think the last one and I think the one with the moon one was. I'm not 100, though, on that but you know, and then you got stuff like one piece who puts out?

Speaker 2: 30:56

they put out movies like it's going out of style and they're not canon right right as far as I know here's what's weird like the dragon ball, super movies are the broly one and then the uh max super max, cell, whatever. Those are canon. Um, the my hero movies are technically canon because they do get referenced in the show, although they're side stories, so you don't really it's not gonna affect you if you don't watch it, but if you do, you'll notice characters, which is kind of cool like canada jason yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 2: 31:23

Um, chainsaw man has a movie coming out that looks awesome. It is is canon, because I read the manga and this is literally a storyline and they're doing it as a movie. So I guess it's just to raise money and make money, which is fine. But it is kind of weird too, because we're in this weird zone where they can come out weekly for three months or whatever and then they do a movie and then they do this. So anime is just different. Now. I mean, people go to the movie theater. I've been.

Speaker 1: 31:47

I watched the dragon ball super movie with brawley in the movie theater was fucking awesome actually I don't think I've, I don't think I've ever seen an anime, anything on the big screen dude I need to resolve that like yeah. So I kicked myself when I missed locally, you know for us um, oh god, blanked them I don't know which one.

Speaker 2: 32:06

I don't know was it recent?

Speaker 1: 32:08

hell man. A couple years ago it was um psychopaths. They released a movie and they actually had it. It was limited release, but we actually had it local. Oh, that would have been cool to see that, and I kicked myself because I missed it by like five days by the time I saw the by the time I saw the article on country roll, I was like yo. The last day was yesterday.

Speaker 2: 32:27

Oh, I'll be so mad. Well, we're going to have to go see something. Maybe we'll do the Demon Slayer ones. Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1: 32:33

Well, yeah, I don't know anything, and like I would just like to see a good anime on the big screen, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2: 32:39

It's actually pretty and you always have good fans when you're there.

Speaker 1: 32:49

You don't have stupid, stupid people there. Everyone's always like very respectful and like excited to be there. I absolutely thought you were coming at me tonight with solo leveling news.

Speaker 2: 32:53

We're all waiting on whatever. If they're, I guess it's over.

Speaker 1: 32:56

I don't know I saw a couple of things and I'm like I think we're probably going to talk about this well, did they announce another season, uh? No, I don't care.

Speaker 2: 33:03

No, yeah, exactly right if they didn't say season three yet, which I think they're looking to wait like two years, I don't know, apparently, or if you're not giving me another Dragon Ball Super season yet it's only been nine years. Like, what are we doing? What are we getting more content?

Speaker 1: 33:18

You ready for this hot take dude? Yeah, let's do it All right. Would you rather be stuck in a dungeon with Golem or have to babysit joffrey for a week? Oh my god without killing him, without killing joffrey do I have the ring? Or no, the one ring. This is open to interpretation.

Speaker 2: 33:37

If I have the one ring let's call it bilbo style.

Speaker 1: 33:40

He, the ring is there and you don't have it yet. Oh my god. Or babysit joffrey for a week without killing him, gollum I can't.

Speaker 2: 33:49

Joffrey is such a shitbag every day of the week. Dude. All right, that kid is, and I think he quit acting. I heard he just was. He was like I'm out because he got so that's not really fair yelling at him at on the freaking street, but that's great actor.

Speaker 2: 34:04

He's a great actor. Maybe he's like I made enough money, I don't care, but he was just so first off. Joffrey would just have you killed for no reason. Donald will really probably mess with you unless you're trying to take the ring. He'll probably just be annoying. You'll just keep hearing him, my precious, and you're like bro, stay five feet away like we're good. But joffrey would be like he tried to kill you for no reason. He would literally just be like I'm you because I'm bored. That means he's just an asshole. Like that, you agree, I'm assuming.

Speaker 1: 34:31

No, I absolutely agree. But here's what I was thinking. I was thinking it would be more fun to play riddle games with Gollum, Even with your life on the line. It would be more fun to play riddle games with. Gollum, than it would be to tolerate 10 seconds of Joffrey's presence.

Speaker 2: 34:51

Dude ob to tolerate 10 seconds of joffrey's presence? Dude obnoxious, he might literally be the worst character ever, like just the most punchable. His death was so great honestly, it was satisfying it was.

Speaker 2: 35:00

I was like thank god, because this dude has just been annoying since the second he showed up in the show. You'd be like somebody beat his dude and the actor played it so well. Dude, he was amazing at it. The other guy that was probably really bad too. The dude that oh my God, he was a bastard. He tried to take the North. I can't remember his name. He was pretty terrible, but he was an adult. You know who I'm talking about. He was feeding people to the dogs.

Speaker 2: 35:29

That guy you know I'm talking about. He was feeding people to the dogs. Oh, that guy horrible dude.

Speaker 1: 35:31

Oh my god, it's gonna kill you. I know later, like an hour, I'm gonna remember 10 seconds after we're done recording I will start recording again, just to scream the name but him.

Speaker 2: 35:38

As terrible as that guy is, especially with sansa, joffrey is worse. I'm sorry, he's just so fucking I can't do it. Dude, I know you want. You're gonna're going to say that name.

Speaker 1: 35:48

Oh yeah, dude, I have to, I just because it's eating me alive right now.

Speaker 2: 35:53

Yeah, he'd feed. I remember he fed the people to the dogs. Ramsey, snow, jesus, ramsey, he's awful, but Joffrey is just like I want to drown you like you're horrible.

Speaker 1: 36:08

I cannot stay that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, all right. Well, if you're enjoying realm jumpers, make sure to follow us on your favorite podcast app and leave a rating or review. It really helps more fantasy fans find the show. If you want to get in touch or just keep up with what we're doing, head over to realmjumperspodcastcom. We're just getting started and every bit of support makes a big difference. Good night guys. Good night guys.

Speaker 2: 36:24

I'm going to go ahead and do that.